OVAL OFFICE FIGHT: President Trump, Chuck Schumer And Nancy Pelosi ARGUE Over Border Wall Funding

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  1. Raffishragabash

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    Every part! As in, every part where Trump got money for the wall by reducing capitalism forces which Slick Willy Clinton handed over to Mexico in 1996 in his pathetic NAFTA & GATT agreements.

    Yes Trump is bringing lots of that production/that revenue/those jobs, back home, like Bush43 and Obama should have did. Trump is bringing that back home now, in areas ranging from Labor Unions to Farming to Automobile factories. Some of that is going to pay for the wall.



    Thanks Mexico!!
     
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    Thanks... I didn't think you had anything, cause there was nothing in there to have.
     
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    You can pretend there was nothing, sure that is your right. But you exercising your Right does not change the fact that Trump changed NAFTA and he reduced the USA Capitalism forces which Mexico reaped the benefits of since 1996.
     
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    Requesting more data on one of the most researched topics in America is a sure sign that you are not prepared to discuss.
     
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    Are you saying there is enough money to stop illegal immigrants from crossing the border? Why do so many experts disagree with you? Also, why does illegal immigration numbers keep growing if the solution and money to implement are available?
     
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    The will to properly address the issue isn't there.
    This has been an issue for over 30 yrs, do you think if it's a big issue, it would not have been addressed already. Going all the way back before Reagan.
    And many different administrations, R control, D control, and R & D control. Not addressed by any to root cause.
     
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    I think it's a giant issue, but only because of our entitlement programs.
     
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    But our fed gov't doesn't think so. For 40 yrs or more, nothing much has been done.
    So
    1. it's not a real issue
    2. they are wanted
    3. they are an asset overall

    Else something would've been done at some point in the last 40+ yrs.
    Heck, even donnie hisself needed illegals working for him.

    And i don't know what our entitlement programs have to do with the issue.
     
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    Trump hustled Mexico for some build-the-wall funds, within how...

    [Clinton's] Nafta required automakers to produce 62.5 percent of a vehicle’s content in North America to qualify for zero tariffs. The new [Trump NAFTA] agreement raises that threshold, over time, to 75 percent. That’s meant to force automakers to source fewer parts for an “Assembled in Mexico” (or Canada) car from Germany, Japan, South Korea or China.

    For the first time, the new agreement also mandates that an escalating percentage of parts for any tariff-free vehicle — topping out at 40 percent in 2023 — must come from a so-called “high wage” factory. The agreement says those factories must pay a minimum of $16 an hour in average salaries for production workers. That’s about triple the average wage in a Mexican factory right now... (NYT)
     
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    Sorry about the double post...I was trying to edit
     
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    Seems a matter of perception, he didn't repeal Obamacare, but he gutted it, with no individual mandate the thing is doomed. His deregulatory effort proceeds and has made substantial roll backs, it's all arcane, but when you look into specifics there's big progress. The EPA has been significantly curtailed. You acknowledge the tax cuts, the economy is doing much better too. Though the critical left is appalled, others seem quite pleased with the Paris Accord withdrawal. The energy sector is thriving, pipelines getting done, those coal miners happy to not be left adrift as Hillary said and the US exporting more oil than even Saudi Arabia, selling Natural Gas to Europe. The judiciary appointments have been quite significant and will have a huge effect too. He hasn't gotten the wall done yet, but we all knew this project would take years, they've had some samples done, got estimates, financing the project is the problem, and then there's the resistance.
    What I remember most of Obama is how with the economy in a shambles, foreclosures across the land and millions in very dire straits, his first priority was "don't ask don't tell", well maybe this was important to him, but to make Obamacare his next top priority relegated the plight of hundreds of millions of homeowners for a whole year as Obama antagonized and dismissed entirely the other side of the aisle to literally ram through an entirely partisan healthcare proposal with fraudulent calculations. At that point what cooperation could he reasonably expect?
    No, it's the virulence that surprises me, that and the media's antagonism. Traditionally we've always had a "honeymoon" period for the newly inaugurated, in Trump's case we got disputations on crowd sizes the day he was sworn in and *ussy hats right after. Immediately followed by calls for impeachment and this collusion thing.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Tell me what is not factual? You can google and find the same facts in whatever source satisfies your lean.
     
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    WTF? one of us has seriously lost the thread. Or is this an example of your picking up the goal posts and running downfield?
     
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    Entirely stopping them on the border? No there isn't enough money to do that. What I am saying is that there is enough money to implement ever increase layers of border security that do not require the building of a 55 foot high wall to be paid for by the american taxpayer.

    More illegals come in thru the airports and seaports than the southern border. Perhaps a sorta immigration gestapo is the best solution - whaddaya say?
     
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    This is a clear case of you never being in a contentious conversation with colleagues. Anyone that has actually sit in a room and fought for a change has faced this tactic from the status quo. Someone will always ask for more info, more data to make an informed opinion. Often, it's after tons of data has been presented. No, Pelosi didn't own anything. She simply tried to defer the conversation.
     
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    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work
     
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    Lol, ok. It's not any issue to the ruling elite. Go carry their water elsewhere. Jesus
     
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    Trump appears willing to own what is best for America

    And that starts with the wall
     
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    Looks like he is on his own. All the Republicans are on there way home for Christmas.

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    Nah, it'll never happen.......he just fluffing his birther base.
     
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    It isnt news that spineless swamp rats want to shirk their duties
     
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    We will have to eait and see
     
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    Won't be long....
     
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    Yes, Reagan took over after presidents of BOTH political parties had dangerously neglected spending required to keep the military strong enough to keep the Soviet Union in check. The Vietnam War was winding down with a predictable effect on the economy, the Soviet Union was threatening to back its East German ally and take over all of West Germany. And, the Soviets did invade Afghanistan and take that country over completely. Have you forgotten all of that? I haven't thought you are a Millennial, but maybe you have as little an understanding of the 1970's as Millennials do.

    But if you were alive in the 1970's, don't you remember the economic quagmire of "STAGFLATION"? Do you remember the horrific increases in fuel and utility prices, along with "wage-and-price controls? Don't you remember the devastating INFLATION that increased until it reached 20%?!

    Reagan worked with Paul Volcker, the last decent Federal Reserve Chairman we had, and brought inflation down to zero -- and he did it without DEBASING and undermining the United States Dollar! And, yes, Reagan compromised and worked with Democrats in the Congress, even though they also stabbed him in the back and betrayed him in his efforts to finally bring and end to illegal aliens barging into the country. You really don't remember ANY of this?!

    Obama? He did NOTHING! He was a 'hand-puppet' for Ben Bernanke... little more than a showcased, glorified 'house pet' for the Fed, while it took over total control of the economy... and his predecessor, "W" Bush was no better! Now, no one will ever wrest control of our economy back so long as this malignant central bank remains in existence....
     
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