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You're going to wish you didn't say this on Tuesday. I'm on my cell phone so I will school you then with copy and paste.

Until then see the history section of this forum. Look for threads "Kill Anything that Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam." And also look for "US Terrorist Wars in Central America" (incomplete). There's much more that I will put together on Tuesday. See you then.

I write entire histories in Wikipedia btw. See the Guatemala civil war page, the Contras page, the Battalion 3-16 page, and the Atlacatl Battalion page.

 

"Anne Applebaum on "RUSSIA"

 

NOOO nononop, GIVE. ME. EXAMPLE. OF ME. JUSTIFYING A MURDER.

I do not give a flying fuсk about whatever fetish fantasies about my opinions you might be having, or about my history, my origins, my family, my preferances, I gave you a simple and plain task - present me with example of me justifying a murder before even DARING to place me on a same moral ground as yourself, after you dare to claim that massacre of japanese innocent civilians in WWII was "justified". It is a direct, straight request, so don't try to evade through demagogics and give a straight answer - get me example of me justifying a murder. Not Stalin, not Putin, not postman Pechkin, but ME. Justifying a murder. Before you ever again, dare to insult me, with claiming I do what I do not.

 

Oh a threat,
Fine, let me wait til then to, then I can give you examples of Afghanistan , the holodomor, etc. The Contras. Sure, Ortega was a Kremlin stooge back then, Soviets were looking to put missiles in there at some point, since the Cuban missile crisis didn't end well for them.

 

From what I know we still call Istanbul a "Stambul", as we did for past century or so at least. If there will be a waterway around Bosphorus, I am sure either existign agreement will be altered to include it, or new agreement will be signed. I am confident diplomats will sort this out even before waterway would be finished.

Still, thank you for explanation of how that can be possible in theory, I am grateful.

 

Oh I don't place you on my same level there Ninian, so no worries, I could care less about your opinions, really, I don't, I basically indicated about your country past, present, future, all their crimes that had no compunction about committing, but will never admit. Japs attacked us, remember, just like the Germans attacked you, yours would've done the very same.

 

BS. Look at the Contras page in Wikipedia or my thread in the history section for reference.

 

Well, basically you found yourself incapable of doing what I requested, because unlike you I DO have moral standarts and do not kiss media's stars-n-stripes ass, or tree-color ass, or any other sort of media ass that farts in my face. I got EDUCATION, and been RAISED well by my parents, and I do that stupid thing called THINKING, for myself, and do not stand on a level of moral abominations who are joyous to excuse any crime as long as their precious piece of shιt ass will be safe from the terrible and brutal reality. Keep dreaming, maybe you will even die before reality will shatter your imaginary justice, you fuсking coward.

 

Yeah, go, run, report me. Congratulations, you made me lost my temper. At least my conscience is clean, unlike yours, and not stained by morals worthy of a fuсking jail!

 

Here my dear, one more example.

Http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/05/...rst-state-to-recognize-holodomor-as-genocide/

Read well, let it sink in, but I know you will discredit this as wild propaganda.

 

???, Who's running. I'm not reporting you, never have, never really gave me a reason.

 

It's not me. I said give me example of ME justifying a murder, like YOU did, with civilians of all ages in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo and rest. YOU said these bombings are JUSTIFYIED, and not a war crime. Not a crime against the humanity. Give me example of ME getting that low, to the level of you and your beloved Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler. Oh, AND "it was necessary sacrifice" Truman.

 

Consider this: The bombs used were relatively low-yield, being early atomic bombs, and they might have targeted areas of higher population than they did. The objective was ostensibly to end the war sooner than later and save lives and prevent more warring in the long-run. Conventional bombing was evidently not getting the job done.

Also consider that Japanese POWs were better treated by us than our POWs were by them. It was a brutal, nasty war - on all fronts. WWII brought mass killing and destruction to an all new level. No one was innocent in that conflict, though the victors have obviously done what they could to whitewash their image ever since, as tends to happen.

 

That does not magically turns massacre into something acceptable. It may have been a military victory, but methods of Pol Pot, that bringed him quick and sure victory in civil war in Cambodia are not excused by that victory, the mass executions of indians by british army through tying them to cannons and shooting through them too helped to achieve sure victory over rebels in India, yet are not excused by that victory and remembred as a crime. The massacre in Japan is a crime, a war crime, a crime against humanity, and is not justified by anything, but fear of being restricted in future by morals, if need to make another "necessary sacrifice" will come to save US from enduring prolonged war by price of another hundreds of lives, millions of lives, tens of millions of lives of foreigners.

 

Me,no, and if I meant you, then lemme rephrase it, your govt.

 

Lol. Usa was attacked Ninian.

 

Well, your government keeps claiming that massacre in Japan was necessary. Difference is - you agree with government that says murder is necessary, and I do not.

 

It is not matter of who hit first or harder, it is matter of who comitted a crime, and who comitted a crime too. Who recognized it, and who dares to say it was justified, and teaches children this criminal toxic bullshιt.

 

That entire war was one big massacre. Besides, the Soviets were no angels in their push to Berlin.

 

If I would've claimed that army of Union was consisting of angles I would've drawn an icon for them, or painted insides of a chappel in their honor.

What happened in Japan was a war crime. It cannot be "justified".

 

Instant James Mattis classic on Face the Nation. Q: "What keeps you awake at night?" A: "Nothing. I keep other people awake at night."

Good hire, Donald.

 

Of course you would say so. But face it - there is no war that is not a crime, or rather a great many crimes compounded together.

 

Hmm, so what happened in Japan is a "war crime", but what soviets did during their push to Germany is OK, as was the famine, the purges, Katyn forest, Warsaw, forced relocations afterww2, mass rapes, that seems fair to some posters...here. I guess maybe we shoulda let the Japs have half the south Pacific, including, Marshall, wake, midway islands, Guam, Philippines, Normandy like landings on California, Oregon, Washington states, throw in Alaska too?

 

Are crimes of former SU taught anywhere in schools in Russia? A simple yes or no will suffice, no political BS.

 

I understand the Japanese weren't too kind to the Chinese when they invaded, either, and of course they did not subscribe to the Geneva Convention, so POWs were tortured, killed and worked to death, and they would terrorise and murder civilians.

Yes, the effects on people from those bombs were terrible, and it's always debatable whether it was necessary or justified. Same with bombings in Germany; Dresden was arguably a war crime also. But then, the Nazis had also been attacking English civilians as well. I think that if the major powers are to be judged for their actions in WWII, it's essential to take the entire context and the post-war years into consideration also. America wasn't interested in exterminating the Japanese or causing undue suffering to their people. We helped them, as we helped the Germans, when it was all over and peace was restored. They were also free, not ruled and subjugated. Those terrible weapons were deployed, they had their intended effect to bring peace quickly and probably save many lives and end the suffering of war sooner, and Japan recovered and grew wonderfully afterwards as a free, self-governing people.

I've heard it argued that Japan would have surrendered anyway, but then I've also seen evidence that the atomic bomb definitely played a role in the leadership's decision to surrender in the end. I wonder - were the bombings prior to Hirshima and Nagasaki "war crimes" also? How are these defined? I don't think, given all of the above, that these bombings could be compared to the recognized war crimes of the period, where innocent people were killed for reasons other than to win the war, whether by execution or in camps. WWII was total war, but even that doesn't justify killings of those kinds.