Over half of likely voters don’t believe Joe Biden will finish first term

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    If that is the lie Trumpies must run with, it comes up against the reality that most Americans consider Trump the racist, supported and endorsed by neo-nazis and other white supremacists.

    The childish, "I know you are, but what am I" need to project merely redounds to the perpetrator's cost as it invites attention to the reality.

    Smearing the opposition is not a viable approach in the absence of the ability to defend Trump's dismal record.
     
  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    ROFL it's not a lie and it's what the DEMOCRATS chose to run on, an old establishment racist white guy.
     
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    Hardcore Trumpies contriving smears won't work, unless to indulge hardcore Trumpies' need to smear.

    That one about Harris having called Biden a racist when Fox News accurately reported what she had unequivocally stated - "I do not believe you are a racist" - was so transparently dishonest, it served no purpose but to provide a benchmark for Trumpy dishonesty going forward.

    Old white evangelical males with limited education may need to resort to the occult.

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  4. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol literally still no links.

    Exponential-I don't think you know what that word means.

    I don't think Trump will win a 50 state sweep and didn't say that, but more EC votes than last time and maybe a popular majority as well.

    Note that in the DNC, they don't believe in a popular vote either. The DNC? Its next week.
     
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    I needed to update this post. I mis-stated the number.

    The number was 61-32 (+29)

    The last poll Biden had a 61-32 lead among women.

    Let that sink in.

    Hillary was +13 (54-41 with Women in 2016)

    Biden is +29 (61-32)

    That is a gamechanger..

    And here is the link to the recent Monmouth poll, released yesterday (which I cited):

    Question #14 on the Top of Page 2.

    If the election for President was today, would you vote for Donald Trump the Republican, Joe Biden the Democrat

    Women favored Biden 61-32
    Men favored Trump 51-39

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_081120.pdf/
     
  6. Andrew Jackson

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    I needed to update this post. I mis-stated the number.

    The number was 61-32 (+29)

    The last poll Biden had a 61-32 lead among women.

    Let that sink in.

    Hillary was +13 (54-41 with Women in 2016)

    Biden is +29 (61-32)

    That is a gamechanger..

    And here is the link to the recent Monmouth poll, released yesterday (which I cited):

    Question #14 on the Top of Page 2.

    If the election for President was today, would you vote for Donald Trump the Republican, Joe Biden the Democrat

    Women favored Biden 61-32
    Men favored Trump 51-39

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_081120.pdf/

    ^Here is the LINK that you requested.

    And, Trump is going to be soundly defeated.

    The Women and the Blacks are going to show up in droves to vote him out.
     
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    I know how the word "Russian" triggers you folks, so I will just leave this here.

    Surprise: Many ‘Black Trump Supporter’ Social Media Accounts Are Fake
     
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    I never said that the VP selection doesn't matter. I said that the notion that the VP helps you gain more votes from X State or from Y demographic just doesn't pan out in the data.
     
  9. US Conservative

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    They appear defensive about point out the obvious-and whats more even lefties are pointing out the obvious flaws.

    Even Julian Castro accused Biden's mind of slipping.
     
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    I posted it above..

    I know exactly what it means.

    In this context, it means a return to the Black Turnout Number from the Obama-Era of 2012 and 2016.

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    I am glad that we agree on that.

    There is ZERO Chance of Either of those things happening, so we disagree on that.
     
  11. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So Jimmy Dore is a hardcore Trumpist now?

    Btw, Im under 40, not religious, highly educated and practice medicine.

    Your stereotypes are quite dated.
     
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    Hardcore Trumpies pretending that Biden is a racist like Trump isn't going to work. You must know that.

    When asked “Do you think that President Trump is a racist?”, 52% said yes, while only 34% said no. Even a hefty plurality of white voters agreed Trump is a racist. Crucially, among independent voters, the spread was even wider than the overall number, with 53% saying Trump is a racist and only 31% saying he is not. (https://www.newsweek.com/half-ameri...additional-13-percent-are-unsure-poll-1518272)

    Projecting Trump's racism onto Biden is silly. Trumpies may as well accuse Biden of braying that his celebrity licenses him to grab women "by the p*ssy!" and of having a "fixer" to pay hush money to bimbos.
     
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  13. US Conservative

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    Yeah you still don't know what exponential means but that's not on me.

    Thanks for posting that poll, its quite fascinating https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_081120.pdf/

    Btw I don't think you are going to be able to rely on women saving Biden. I see you are spinning the gears and trying to make sense of that poll so good job on that.
     
  14. Natty Bumpo

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    Whether you can lure Jimmy Dore into your ranks is not my concern.

    Trump's most devoted base consists of older, white, evangelical males without a college education. That has been confirmed in multiple surveys. I do not challenge their right to vote for Trump by mail or in person. I merely note that theirs is a shrinking demographic.
     
  15. US Conservative

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    Im not trying to lure Jimmy Dore-the point is all sides see the problem here.

    Bidens path to victory was supposed to be him supporting the radical left while not scaring off centrists.

    That isn't going to happen-Kamala is despised by not only the far left BLM/Antifa crowd but also democrat voters in Iowa during the primaries.

    Biden gained nothing, but lost a lot with this choice.

    I suspect the DNC is preferring to look forward to 2024, perhaps a to find a candidate to attack pence at that time.
     
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    No pretending needed his words speak for themselves and this isn't about whether you think Trump is a racist it's whether Biden is and by his own words. And you need to learn that having sex with women you let you is not racist. You attempted defense quite absurd and laughable.
     
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    That sounds like what hardcore Trumpies need to tell themselves.

    "Bidens path to victory was supposed to be him supporting the radical left while not scaring off centrists."

    According to whom?
     
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    Projecting seems to be in vogue with hardcore Trumpies.

    Please cite whatever surveys you have to indicate that Biden, like Trump, is regarded as a racist by many, let alone most, of the electorate.

    Trumpy white guys telling one another that Biden is a racist is quite absurd and laughable - as if they would vote for him if they didn't label him a racist like Trump.
     
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  19. US Conservative

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    Ok Mr. Tactician-you tell me what his path is now.

    He's pissed off mainstreet USA with his racial pandering and his mental decline, and he pissed off the far left by appointing a cop.

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    Fanatical Trumpies are in a dither, hellbent on smearing whomever Biden picked, having pretended that he would be a tool for radicals that want to defund the police and then he chose a law enforcement type that reflects the diversity of the American people that pisses off a lot of Trumpy white guys.

    Trump had tried lying about Biden wanting to defund police and was gobsmacked for trying it on Fox News. Maybe Rudy and the Borscht Boys can contrive one of their frothy Burismagates for Harris.
     
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    Hardcore Trumpies know they're against her. They just need some time to figure out why.
    Republican smears will be largely ignored as the nation focuses on the raging pandemic that Trump assured the nation he had "under control!" as it would just "go away!", "very few!" with it and "Everybody getting better! They're all getting better!"

    Whining that Harris is any number of things Trumpies contrive is not about to distract from the ongoing national health crisis and Trump's lies, ignorant remarks, and pathetic leadership throughout.
     
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    She's rated the 4th most leftist senator ever. But she's the wrong kind because she jailed blacks so lefties do not like her. To mainstreet usa, she is an opportunist and self promoter from wacky California.

    Biden does indeed want to defund the police-he just called it reallocating funds.

    So tell me what Biden gains here?

    His entire premise was that he was going to unite centrists without scaring off the far left.
     
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    Bro Im thrilled-don't let me stop you but Im trying to figure out what the logic is.

    Ignore Trump supporters fine but explain where he goes from here?
     
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    So I take it you're voting third party then?? Dementia Joe is anything BUT functioning...
     
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    Yup, it's their way of sneaking in an uber leftist Marxist who would never get elected on her own...
     
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