Overdoses - leading cause of injury death in the United States

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  1. waltky

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    Drug poisoning deaths are the leading cause of injury death in the United States...
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    DEA: 52,404 Drug Overdoses in 2015; 144 People a Day
    October 24, 2017 | - Drug poisoning deaths are the leading cause of injury death in the United States, killing 52,404 people in 2015, or about 144 people a day, the Drug Enforcement Administration said in a report released on Monday.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Meanwhile, there's no reported fatality for marijuana overdose
     
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    Culling the herd, the weak fall by the wayside.
     
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    What do you make of the Swiss system, where drugs are provided for free as a means to reduce overdose problems and also minimise the damage created through addiction (e.g. they report halving of burglary rates)?
     
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    Might be an idea worth pursuing.
     
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    Police here are taking it very seriously. The old ways, including the naive notion you could use law enforcement as deterrence, have been rejected as a complete failure.
     
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    More than terrorism?
     
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    There is a lot of people doing dope these days.

    (Note the verb agreement -- a lot is singular -- the verb is is also singular. People are the object of the preposition not the subject.)

    These may be mostly the millennials and homeless for whom education was not a big priority and so the German and Japanese kids are winning the major production contracts from them internationally.

    I am not certain what has happened since Y2K to spawn these dope addicts. But there is probably no cure for it other than early death.
     
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    Muslim terrorism whether home grown or imported is merely a pinprick.

    The best thing would simply be to completely ignore terrorism.

    134 people were killed by terrorism in 2016 in world.

    Out of a 7 billion world population these 134 are totally insignificant.

    134 / 7,000,000,000 = 0.000000019

    That's around 1 in 70 million.

    You are more likely to be killed in a car: 40,000 out of 323,000,000 which equals 0.0001 -- one in 10 thousand -- per year in the USA.
     
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    Where on earth did you get that ridiculous figure?
     
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    I recently saw a news article about a mother and father who blamed govt for their son's OD death. They claimed that if their local council/health dept/whatever had provided a 'safe injecting room', he might still be alive. Not once did they blame themselves for raising a kid who clearly had such a crappy upbringing that turning to drugs seemed like a good idea.

    There's your problem. Laws and resources are merely band-aids.
     
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    The idea that we can just do a 'parent blame game' isn't credible. We see, for example, how drug hotspots spring up for various reasons: from economic downturn to organised crime (e.g. Swansea became known for heroin abuse after English gangs gave out drugs to ensure long term demand).

    Louis Theroux recently did a great doc on American city, where the drug epidemic can be traced to Doctor's handing out prescription drugs.
     
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    Googled it.
     
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    Go on a "How To Google" night class perhaps? That figure was ridiculously low.
     
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    Do you have a source that says that most of the overdose victims are millennial, or are you just guessing based on your biases?

    I am under the impression that the opiod epidemic affects a much broader swath of the populace, but I may be wrong.
     
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    Based on my own anecdotal experience the dope addicts are millennials.

    Anyone older on dope has already died.
     
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    What did you get when you googled it ??

    Stop the hollow ad homs or I will iggy you.
     
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    Merely trying to help. For terrorism data you need something like the Global Terrorism Database. Last time I looked it had data on 170,000 incidents. Traditionally the average would be something like 2 casualties per incident. It increased significantly mind you (up to something like 18, but some falls since)
     
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    Look for DEATHS not "incidents". Hopefully that will help you.
     
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    I referred to incidents to help you appreciate the nature of terrorist activity. You stated that 134 people died on terrorism in 2016. Approximately that number died just in the Sayyidah Zaynab bombings
     
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    You are being redundant and verbose.

    Those are fallacies.

    You have obviously not studied much logic, debate, or philosophy.

    I do not have time to educate you.

    Goodbye.

    To the iggy with you.
     
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    Oh well, I suppose it won't matter much that he doesn't understand terrorist data...
     
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    Well, anyway, if we can go in another direction with this discussion... I think most of this epidemic is economic. People (especially in certain regions or certain segments of the populace) see little chance of opportunity in the future.
    Probably some interplay between job opportunity relative to cost of housing.

    There are some other threads touching on this subject.
    It's affecting the old: Pain in Middle America
    and young: Difficult Job Market for the Young

    and once they get hooked, even if the economy recovers and opportunities became more available, things aren't just going to go back to normal for them
     
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    Certainly describes the importance of both delivering full employment and 'quality jobs'.
     

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