Overturning Roe v Wade: a turning point

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The fact that the decision was leaked shows us what a partisan creep Alito is. But, if confirmed, this has the potential to change many things.

    First of all, if Democrats had a spine (and they don't), this would be the opportunity to add more non-partisan justices ("pack the court", as right-wingers like to call it). But I doubt that will happen.

    What could happen is that this might be a turning point for the mid-terms. Maybe a wake up call for people who still believe in Democracy and rights to defend those rights.

    Maybe... because, if we don't, then we DESERVE to live in a fascist regime. Because if they overturn Roe v Wade, why not overturn Obamacare, gay rights, ... maybe parts of Brown v Board of Education.

    It's up to the people now, if we are to defend democracy and human rights. This has the potential to be the decisive turn democrats needed for the midterms. But this is not about winning elections. It's about doing the right thing.
     
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    Alito wore skimpy clothes so it’s his fault he got raped….hmmmm….

    Democrats are in the habit of electing non-partisan judges….hmmmmmmm

    People only care about abortion and might vote on that…..hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    if the court reviews and reverses decisions it’s made in the past which is it’s full right to do, that’s facism…..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    we need to vote out the GOP so that we can remove the peoples power to determine abortion regulations for itself or else democracy is over….hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps women should be forced to carry ID cards proving they are on birth control. Those having abortions are "not fit to be parents" and should be thrown in prison. You wanted more government interference in out lives. Enjoy!
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    How many repeals of rulings which are considered 'super precedents' for their 70 years of precedence?

    I can't think of any. If there are, they are far and few.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many years were we free to refuse to buy medical insurance or consume pharma products without losing our jobs? Your party wants more government and fewer choices for individuals. Enjoy!
     
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    But we are already seeing the kind of world the democrats want to impose on us. Crime, racism, censorship, propaganda, indoctrinating children, inflation and general incompetence.

    Doing the right thing... is something I haven't seen a democrat support for several years. I wish that were not true; but it is a choice they have made, not one forced on them.
    Why would any sane person ask for more of that crap?
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your party pays lip service to 'small government'.

    https://thehill.com/news/campaign/3464091-on-the-trail-the-era-of-big-government-republicanism/

    https://www.cato.org/commentary/republicans-become-party-big-government

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/12/republicans-government-government-intrusions

    https://upnorthnewswi.com/2022/05/02/todays-gop-the-party-of-big-government/
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have already corrected you and don't understand why you continue to make false statements about me. Resorting to such fallacies only reveals the inability to challenge a position on merit.

    You support more government interference in our lives and now you get to call the kettle black on this issue. Enjoy.
     
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    Since medical procedures are beyond the appropriate role of federal government, it makes sense to turn it over the states. The 10th amendment says that is where it belongs.
     
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    I don't think it's a big deal. I suspect that this ruling will rightly state that it's not a Federal Constitutional right, which it clearly isn't, but, it certainly is a legislative right for any State that wishes to make it so. Hell, there probably is an argument for Federal Legislation, if that's what the country wants.

    “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”

    And of course, this is a 3 month old draft, there could have been substantial changes over the last 3 months.

    [​IMG]
     
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    It's funny how most right-wingers can ONLY understand reality if they put it in binary mode.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You show a lot of empty words. I show EXAMPLES. This is one of the main differences between progressives and the extreme right.
     
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    Alito didn't leak it.
     
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    Do tell us how you know that...
     
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    Yeah, and right wing SCOTUS is going to repeal a women's right to control their bodies.

    Get real.

    I expressed that the right pays lip service to 'small government' Did I mention you? If you are on the right, then it includes you, but not you, specifically

    I also gave evidence to the point.
     
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    It is mostly POC’s aborting and being replaced with foreign born illegals.
    I do laugh at the democrat war on language choosing to call terminating a life “Reproductive Rights”. You are not “Reproducing” when you are offing your nascent offspring!
    BTW, is birth control just a conservative thang? PP handles that, too. Maybe visit them first?

    BTW, where did “Alioto leaked it come from?”
    BTW2, Polling shows people have bigger things to worry about than abortion.
    BTW3, is condescension the only way you can make your point?
     
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    Now that SCOTUS has thrown out precedent and affirmed the partisan nature of the court,

    I can’t wait for a liberal majority to rule on all sorts of liberal hot topics,

    LIKE GUN CONTROL
    LIKE LGBT PROTECTIONS
    LIKE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
    LIKE RELIGION IN SCHOOLS, including ISLAMIC TEACHINGS
    AND ON, AND ON…..

    Con / Republican heads will explode….
    and I will enjoy every minute.
     
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    Won't happen.

    The Democrats will not get to put any more justices on the court for a generation.
     
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    R v W is not about medical procedures, it's about a 'right' to a medical procedure. Rights are very much the purview of the Constitution.

    Just as the second amendment is not about guns, it's about the RIGHT to own them.

    Guns are regulated by states. Abortion is regulated by sates, but the RIGHT to them is granted by Scotus, interpreting the constitution as a penumbra right.

    Alito is wrong. And if his draft is allowed to stand, there will be hell to pay by republicans.
     
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    This afternoon there was a post describing a clerk to Sotomayor as the leaker. But searching for that link now is futile; it must have been taken down for reasons only God knows.
     
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    You and others really think women in the U.S. are all that hell bent for the right to have an abortion?
     
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    Yes you did. You said "your party" I don't have a party and while you are absolutely right about the right, you are pointing with dirty hands. (Since you admitted to being a dem)

    You and I agree on this issue. Government has no business interfering in ones decision to have an abortion.
     
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    So we read your words and then dumb them down so that we can understand them? You realize this makes no sense right, because we’d have to first understand them in order to be able to dumb them down.

    The dumbing down is for your benefit not ours. Because I don’t think you fully appreciate exactly what it is you’re saying to begin with
     
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    This is going to be a nightmare for the political establishment. Both sides have played lip service to abortion for their base. Now, they will have to expose their true positions as the people will demand that they formalize pro/anti-abortion into law.
     
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    You hope.
     

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