Oxford Professor: Helping refugees locally is 135 times cheaper than helping them in the West

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  1. Dutch

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    According to Oxford professor Paul Collier, Western countries can help more than one hundred refugees locally, for the same money we spend here on one of them. The professor spoke at a conference of Denmark’s Social Democracy party in Copenhagen last week. He rejected the idea that Europe should receive migrants and said:

    “We spend 135 dollars for every person who shows up here, compared to one dollar for every person that we help in their own region. Those staying home are often much weaker than the ones who have the resources to get to Europe.”

    Collier also made a statement about the migrants and refugees who come to Europe:

    “Almost everyone coming to Europe from countries where they were already safe… The idea that this group has an enormous need for help, is simply irresponsible and a result of intellectual laziness.”

    Paul Collier is Professor of Economics and Director of the Centre for the Study of African Economies, Oxford University. He has previously served as Director of the Development Research Group at the World Bank.

    Currently he is Advisor to the Strategy and Policy Department of the IMF, advisor to the Africa Region of the World Bank; and he has advised the British Government on its recent White Paper on economic development policy.

    https://voiceofeurope.com/2017/12/o...er-than-helping-them-in-the-west/#prettyPhoto

    Well, Paul Collier is not a professor for nothing; he knows what he is talking about. It is obvious to everyone that these who cannot make a long journey and forced to stay behind are the ones deserved to be helped. Just look at the photograph and tell me, how many of these desperate immigrants have missed just one daily meal?

    And by squelching the flow of immigrants to the West, the West will protect itself from many a terrorist attacks and from Islamization. A win-win, if you ask me.
     
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    He makes a lot of sense. It doesnt seem like it would be all that hard or expensive to set up secure self governed camps
     
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    Plus terrorist death threats to 10 Downing Street and the life of the Prime Minister are removed by many miles and bodies of water.
     
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    The difference in supporting costs are mind boggling. When will UN call an emergency session to hear an expert witness Paul Collier on this, do you think? :)
     
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    It makes way too much sense for the UN to even consider it an option.
     
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    Here, have half a million bucks worth of US/UK/Israel made weaponry up your jackhole.

    Oh, and here's a buck to help you out your misery because we're Christians.
     
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    Great to hear this from academia, but anyone with a lick of sense could have said the same thing. Relocation cost is something anyone has to consider in their lives, why would it be any different for assisting people overseas?

    I live in TN. If I get a job offer in NY, I have to consider how much it will cost me to relocate my home and family. The same questions apply to assistance.

    This is common sense, but it doesn't sound as good politically to the bleeding hearts as offering to pay for relocation with taxes.
     
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    So let me get this right. We can spend $1 million or $135 million and help the same number of people.
     
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    Numbers do not lie.
     
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    It would be a lot more than $1 initally, but long term costs would be a fraction of costs for the same number of refugees.
     
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    And plus women have their own new wonderful country.
     
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    If they put their minds to it, yes.
     
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    If I set the camps up, each camp would be 6 seperate camps in one.

    1. Common area of shops and markets, plus govt buildings.
    2. Camp for non refugee personell such as guards.
    3. Camp for single men.
    4. Camp for families.
    5. Camp for single women.
    6. Camp for unaccompanied children.

    Each of the segmented camps will have seperate religious facilities, cafererias, and schools. All of these will be worked by people from the camps.

    Everyone 16 years or older is required to work or go to school. All children under 16 will be required to go to school.

    Anyone that is convicted of a crime or refuses to comply with other rules of the camp is ejected from the camps.

    Camp govt will be set up much like the US govt. Each of the 4 refugee camps will be run by a council. Each refugee camp gets a refugee in the overall council. President of the council is the commander of the camp.
     
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    To quote the matrix

    "...isn't that worth fighting for? Isn't that worth dying for?"
     
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    Gosh I'm terrible at typing. I meant to say "They would have their own new wonderful country."

    Glad I made the mistake. I think you have a good plan.
     
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    'Tis is from the year and a half old article, and thus reinforces the point, made in the OP:

    "A budget of $3,000 per refugee in Jordan would provide food, water, education and opportunity. In Germany this will cost $30,000"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...e-than-in-neighboring-countries-a6928676.html

    And this is from much more recent article:

    Up to 6.6m migrants waiting to cross to Europe from Africa.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/66m-migrants-waiting-cross-europe-africa-report

    6.6m migrants times $30,000 per migrant... my calculator could not multiply these numbers.

    Is Europe THAT rich?
     
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    The sad thing about this that our liberals cannot think for themselves and need an Oxford professor to to tell them before they will believe it
     
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    Liberals will not believe him still. The migrants do not personally affect them, and that's that. But think how many wonderful programs are involved in moving migrants over, housing them, feeding and caring for them?
     
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    They meaning liberals cant argue with a professor

    So they will have to ignore him or hit him with a sexual harrassment charge and remove him from his seat at Oxford

    But I dont think the sexual pogroms have reached the UK yet
     
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