http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0811-gay-student-20110811,0,923167.story Victim blaming is never OK.
might have been asking to get his ass kicked but being shot was way off the deep end. if some lady boy was following me to the bathroom and (*)(*)(*)(*) only to taunt me and sexually harass me he/she better be ready to get lit up like a christmas tree.
I have little doubt that what Larry King was doing was taking his tormentors' crap and flinging it right back at them in the only way he knew how. I've found that straight guys can dish it out just fine but they fall apart when their victim turns the tables on them. Anyway, King has been duly executed for his sins with a shot in the head. One less femmy little queer kid to threaten the straight boys. Case closed. Nothing more to see here.
This is the face of the opposition. People who relish the death of the child as just. These are kids, in case you haven't noticed, when targeted for bully they push back. I have no doubt Kind figured out he could make the ones targeting him squirm and gave back as good as he got. However, if you really think that justifies being gunned down, you should do the world a favor and never breed.
Ah, well historically sarcasm doesn't transfer well online. I am sorry to have jumped to conclusions.
no but neither is ignoring reality and refusing to learn from mistakes The primary job of a school is to provide a safe learning environment for all the kids...over and over, King was allowed to provoke the other students, allowed to do things no other student would have been allowed to do and then the people he targeted were admonished. King is a victim here but there is much more to the story, he was also a bully. Life isn't so cut and dried as some would have us believe. If McInerney had been the one following King around harassing him, and King had shot him, your reaction would be different I think. McInerney will pay for what he did, but I think we need to look at how we are handling this sort of thing and not setting up situations like this again. No one, including minorities, should be allowed to flout rules and harass other students. Tolerance has to go both ways.
Tolerance for whom? The people who torment and torture you? King not only stood his ground, he fought back. And the bullies didn't like that at all. It freaked them out that someone who is supposed to be weak and powerless was not only not taking their sh*t he was throwing right back in their faces. And he took a bullet in the head for it. The kid's a hero in my book.
tolerance for each other, so there doesn't HAVE to be 'heros' OR 'martyrs'. King should not have been harassed for being gay (and the article does not show that he was, in fact the school bent over backwards to accomadate him) but the other boy shouldn't have been harassed either. There is no evidence in this article that McInerney ever harassed King, where did you get that? All I see in the article is testimony that KING taunted and harassed the other boys and they appealed to the teachers to stop the harassment.
Come on man, since when did facts get in the way! Assumptions are totally acceptable when coming from this direction. Reading between the lines it totally admissible and your insistence of anything else is only evidence that you must be a 4th or 5th generation inbred who lives under powerlines!
Injest has addressed this perfectly here. There is a difference between standing up yourself and becoming a bully. And King appears to have crossed that line. That in no way justifies what happened to him, but it does put some of the responsibility on him. Do not become the thing you hate.
I'm not convinced that's entirely what is happening here. The events described, if true, are relevant to the case and so need to be presented, regardless of how it reflects on the victim (within reason). It should be noted that what is reported here is a small selected part of the evidence, primarily the defence case with some apparently disputed points. I wouldn't rely on even relatively respectable media source to be entirely neutral and balanced when reporting cases like this. It does raise a valid issue of the difficultly teachers and school officials can face when dealing with this kind of situation, balancing the rights and freedom of the individual students with the general atmosphere and teaching environment. It's hard enough in general without the additional complexities of a cross-dressing student. It shouldn't need pointing out (but does), that shooting the boy can in no way be justified.
Sorry, Bender. Blaming the victim for the shooting would be wrong but denying he had a role in aggravating the situation would be stupid. IMHO, the victim may or may not have been gay. And, every time a wife kills her husband, the victim is blamed.
where were the parents? You don't let your kid go out like that to middle school. if it were a girl taunting boys saying "I know you want me" that would be disciplined at the school, but here it wasn't. This is where trying to mae how you have sex some type of race or gender has taken it. again, if a girl did that to boys she would be disciplined. The kid didn't deserve to be shot but he was really pushing himself upon others
I guess the jury could not agree that planning to kill someone and following through with that plan execution style in front of an audience constitutes murder. My favorite part was the testimony from the defense psychologist - Nope, no hate going on there. Though it is generally agreed that King did not deserve to be killed, I guess enough people feel that well, you know, he was kinda asking for trouble, and in some ways what McInerney did was understandable.
There is no excuse for one student shooting another in the head. Something went terribly wrong in that school. It seems that the case in question tends to illustrate why there should be virtually ZERO tolerance for bullying, aggravation and disruption among students. Things can get out of hand in an instant, with human beings. In my view, taking someone's life because you hate them or are aggravated by them in some way... isn't justified in a civilized society. Some have suggested that the "gay panic" defense might be used.
and that needs to go both ways....gay and straight. No gay should be allowed to taunt and humiliate another student either.
no doubt. of course I would bet his parents would prefer to have an living breathing nonhero child they could hug and watch grow up.....but hey you have a martyr to rally around.. no one here has shown that King was bullied by this boy...in fact all the testimony I have seen has been the exact opposite. King harassed and bullied this boy, the boy made it plain that he was getting angry but the teachers and the admins punished this other boy, NOTHING was said to King. I know you think it is all cool to allow the gay kid to slap around straight boys that don't like him and you think it is 'brave' but how brave IS it really when you have the school admin backing you up and PUNISHING the boy you torment if he fights back? that's not 'brave' thats cowardly IMHO. Your idealogy killed King just as surely as that bullet did. If he had not been allowed to 'be himself' and taunt and bully other students, he would be graduating high school and moving on with his life...and that would have been a while heck of a lot better than being a martyr for the 'cause'
Look, I know you wanted to get the above in... but OF COURSE my statement includes ALL students. ALL kids can be excessively annoying and cruel to one another; THAT is what needs to be kept in check; period!
