P. M. Justin Trudeau assumes LGBTQ community are NOT pro-life?

DennisTate · Jan 29, 2018

I believe that P. M. Justin Trudeau has made
a fairly serious error in assuming that the vast
majority of the LGBTQ community are so vehemently
pro-choice that they will support the legislation that he is proposing.

Perhaps I have gotten the wrong impression but well over fifty percent of
the LGBTQ activists that I personally know in person, or online, are
very much pro-life even though they..... like myself.... do understand and
empathize with the pro-choice proponents as well.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1296715350457368

Charles McVety Ph. D:
"Trudeau Bans Christian Students From Canada Summer Jobs

In a recent town hall meeting, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced his reasoning for not permitting Christians to apply for Canada Summer Jobs. Trudeau said that those who seek to restrict abortion are "not in line with society".

The Canada Summer Jobs program provides over $200 million per year to fund some 70,000 students with seasonal employment. Just before Christmas, Trudeau changed the requirements for funding which now demands that applicants and employers sign a document to attest that they support women’s reproductive rights, and the rights of gender-diverse and transgender Canadians." No bible believing Christian can sign such a document therefore the result is clear, Christians need not apply.

It appears that our Prime Minister does not recognize that each and every Canadian must be treated equally before the law and receive equal benefit including opportunity for students to be employed under the CSJ program. Section 15 of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedom, says "1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law". Some may argue that his discrimination is not overt in that he does not explicitly name Christians; however, his descriptions are crystal clear. Christian individuals and organizations are at the forefront of fighting for person status of unborn children and protection of Children from radical sex education teaching.

One would hope that Trudeau's discrimination is temporary; however, back when Justin Trudeau was first elected as Prime Minister, over two years ago, he told local Toronto pastors that "Evangelical Christians are the worst part of Canadian society."

Hundreds of Christian organizations and thousands of Christian students have now lost funding for this year's summer jobs. Church leaders have begun to push back. If the government is allowed to blatantly deny Christian students employment, it won't be long until other Christians feel the threat of losing their jobs simply for practicing what the Bible teaches. In fact, it has been reported that this prohibition has already expanded to other programs such as the Canada Service Corps including the YMCA.

We must not allow Trudeau to deny students jobs for not swearing to support abortion and multiple genders. We can stop this if we petition God, take action by contacting our Members of Parliament, call the Prime Minister at 613-941-6900 and sign the petition at www.mcvety.ca

If not you, then who? If not now, when?" (Charles McVety)
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DennisTate · Jan 29, 2018

I personally rather vehemently disagree with a sentence in Charles McVety Ph.D.'s writing:

"No bible believing Christian can sign such a document therefore the result is clear, Christians need not apply." (Charles McVety Ph. D.)

I am a Bible believing Christian but........
I am of the belief that the being of light who spoke to near death experiencer
Christian Andreason was Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and the message that he was given
was sent by heaven:

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a11

11. What about sexually diverse people?

If this world was to ever find out just a small amount of what sexually diverse (gay) people are here to do on this planet, there would never be one single wisecrack or hurtful remark made ever again. Instead there would be great respect! People who speak disrespectful things about people of this orientation ... enact judgment, and do so from a place of unenlightenment, insecurity, ego and socially induced prejudice. Some may use mistranslated scriptures taught to them, not by the Holy Spirit ... but by fear-filled human beings. Many will choose to sustain a Divinely unsupported satanic hate-based rage against these children of God, rather than using Love to bring understanding and healing between both peoples. Christ said, THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER! When people sling condemnation, judgment and bitterness at others, they are not practicing the great commandment. They are allowing their Souls to fall into darkness.

a. What were you told or shown about this issue?

When I got to Heaven, one of the first things I asked was about the very issue of bisexuality, as it had caused me a great deal of concern my whole life. My lady guide walked me to a room that had a large screen in it. On the screen, I saw two forms of Light conjoining with one another in the act of making Love. My guide then asked me to tell her which was the male and which was the female? I said, "I dunno!" She smiled at me and said it does not matter. She went on to say that the two Lights were what God saw when he looked upon us. She explained that God always sees us as our higher selves and that gender is a very temporary thing that will not be around forever. It was further explained to me that God himself is both a Mother essence and a Father essence to us, therefore; God fully understands our attractions for members of similar genders. It was told to me (or rather I was reminded) that there are no mistakes in the way each of us were made. God knew what each of us would be challenged and blessed with. We each act according to our heart (or developed Soul center) and as we mature Spiritually, we come up higher each time.

One other thing I was shown was a couple engaging in activities that focused on Lust rather than Love. My lady guide said that these individuals were in great spiritual duress and bringing upon themselves a life that would present much challenge. I saw that their Soul Lights began to dim significantly and there was a dark haze all about them. My lady guide then told me a time would come when these individuals would need to learn to come to God with their sexual selves, so that he could help them to use their sexuality in a more Loving way. More than likely, emotional or mental illness would emerge and help guide them to a more Loving path of expression. As I looked upon the figures, I sadly commented that lust was a major factor that involved many gay people. The lady smiled at me and explained that all fall into lust before we fully embrace the Light within ourselves. Later the lady also revealed to me that the two dimly beings in spiritual duress ... had been a married heterosexual couple." (Christian Andreason)
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http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/charles-mcvety-ph-d-vs-p-m-justin-trudeau.524432/

Charles McVety Ph. D. vs P. M. Justin Trudeau!

DoctorWho · Jan 29, 2018

"If not you, then who? If not now, when?" (Charles McVety)"

Actually, that is paraphrased from Ethics of the Fathers.

Rabbi Hillel says;
"If I am not for myself,
who will be for me ?
But if I am only for myself,
who am I ?
If not now, when?"

Ethics of the Fathers, 1:14 ...

DoctorWho · Jan 29, 2018

This is a clear case of discrimination based on Religious or personal beliefs and or Religion.
Funding should not be based on ones personal or Religious beliefs.

It is sad such legislation is permitted in Canada, here in the U.S. no one person has that much power.

crank · Jan 29, 2018

DoctorWho said: ↑

This is a clear case of discrimination based on Religious or personal beliefs and or Religion.
Funding should not be based on ones personal or Religious beliefs.

It is sad such legislation is permitted in Canada, here in the U.S. no one person has that much power.
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But try exercising such discrimination against Religion of Peace-ists in Canadia.

crank · Jan 29, 2018

Meantime, did Trudeau specifically exclude Christians?

DennisTate · Jan 30, 2018

DoctorWho said: ↑

"If not you, then who? If not now, when?" (Charles McVety)"

Actually, that is paraphrased from Ethics of the Fathers.

Rabbi Hillel says;
"If I am not for myself,
who will be for me ?
But if I am only for myself,
who am I ?
If not now, when?"

Ethics of the Fathers, 1:14 ...
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Thank you for informing me of this.....
I didn't know where that quotation had came from.

This whole situation reminds me of what happened in
Germany during the 1930's and 1940's.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nto-canadian-politics.524586/#post-1068614997

There is a difference between the objectives of Hitler and P. M. Justin Trudeau ......
Hitler wanted Brown Shirts.......
P. M. Trudeau wants Brown Noses!

The Hiding Place, Corrie Ten Boom, page 54:

"Only once did the changes taking place in Germany reach inside the little shop on the Barteljorisstraat,
and that was in the person of a young German watchmaker. Germans frequently came to work under
Father for a while, for his reputation reached even beyond Holland. So when this tall good - looking
young man appeared with apprentice papers from a good firm in Berlin, Father hired him without
hesitation. Otto told us proudly that he belonged to Hitler Youth. Indeed it was a puzzle to us
why he had come to Holland, for he found nothing but fault with Dutch people and products.
"The world will see what Germans can do," he said often.

His first morning at work he came upstairs for coffee and Bible reading with the other employees;
after that he sat alone down in the shop. When we asked him why, he said that though he
had not understood the Dutch words, he had seen that Father was reading from the Old
Testament which, he informed us, was the Jews' "Book of Lies."

I was shocked, but Father was only sorrowful. "He has been taught wrong,"
he told me. "By watching us, seeing that we love this Book and are
truthful people, he will realize his error."

It was several weeks later that Betsie opened the door from the
hallway and beckoned to Father and me. Upstairs on Tante Jans's
tall mahogany chair sat the lady who ran the rooming house where
Otto lived. Changing the bed sheets that morning, she said, she had
found something under his pillow. And she drew from her market
satchel a knife with a curving ten inch blade.

Again, Father put the best interpretation on it. "The boy is probably
only frightened, alone in a strange country. He probably bought it
to protect himself."

It was true enough that Otto was alone. He spoke no Dutch, nor
made any effort to learn, and besides Father, Betsie and me, few
people in this hard working- class part of the city spoke German.
We repeated our invitation to join us upstairs in the evenings, but whether
he did not care for our choice of radio programs, or because the evening
ended as the mornings began, with prayer and Bible reading, he seldom did.

In the end, Father did fire Otto ----- the first employee he had ever discharged
in more than sixty years in business. And it was not the knife or the
anti-Semitism that finally brought it about, but Otto's treatment of the old
clock mender, Christoffels.

From the very first I had been baffled by his brusqueness with the old man. It
wasn't anything he did --- not in our presence anyway ---- but what he didn't
do. No standing back to led the older man go first, no helping him on with a coat,
no picking up a dropped tool. It was hard to pin down. One Sunday when
Father, Betsie, and I were having dinner at Hilversum I commented on what
I had concluded was simple thoughtlessness.

Willem shook his head. "It's very deliberate," he said. "It's because Christoffels is old.
The old have no value to the State. They're also harder to train in the new ways of
thinking. Germany is systematically teaching disrespect for old age."

We stared at him, trying to grasp such a concept. "Surely you are mistaken, Willem!"
Father said. "Otto is extremely courteous to me ---- unusually so. And I'm a good deal
older than Christoffels."

"You're different. You're the boss. That's another part of the system: respect for authority.
It is the old and the weak who are to be eliminated."

We rode the train home in stunned silence --- and we started watching Otto more closely.
But how could we know, how in the Holland of 1939 could we have guessed, that it was not
in the shop where we could observe him but in the streets and alleys outside that Otto
was subjecting Christoffels to a very real, small persecution. "Accidental" collisions and
trippings, a shove, a heel ground into a toe, were making the old clockman's journeys to
and from work times of terror.

The erect and shabby little man was too proud to report any of this to us. It was not until
the icy February morning that Christoffels stumbled into the dining room with a bleeding
cheek and a torn coat that the truth came out. Even then, Christoffels said nothing. But
running down to the street to pick up his hat, I encountered Otto surrounded by an indignant
little cluster of people who had seen what happened. Rounding the corner into the alley,
the young man had deliberately forced the older one into the side of the building and ground
his face against the rough bricks.

Father tried to reason with Otto as he let him go, to show him why such behavior was wrong.
Otto did not answer. In silence he collected the few tools he had brought with him and in silence
he left the shop. It was only at the door that he turned to look at us, a look of the most utter
contempt I had ever seen." (Corrie Ten Boom, The Hiding Place, pages 54-56)
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DennisTate · Jan 30, 2018

DoctorWho said: ↑

This is a clear case of discrimination based on Religious or personal beliefs and or Religion.
Funding should not be based on ones personal or Religious beliefs.

It is sad such legislation is permitted in Canada, here in the U.S. no one person has that much power.
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P. M. Trudeau is expecting young Canadians to sign a document that they
have zero ethical questions about issues such as is coming to light around the
Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act.

Canada has zero legal protection for the unborn..... right up into the third trimester and
to the time of birth.

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...vors-protection-act-congress-must-pass-it-now
Pass the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act

These aren’t faceless statistics. Consider the nauseating stories out of Kermit Gosnell’s house of horrors in Philadelphia, where the abortionist’s cheap, altered methods led to babies being born alive after botched abortions. In these cases, Gosnell would cut the back of each baby’s neck with scissors to sever its spine, a practice that the grand jury concluded had probably taken place hundreds of times over his decades of work. Women in his clinic routinely delivered their babies alive into toilets, where clinic workers killed them.
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DennisTate · Jan 30, 2018

crank said: ↑

Meantime, did Trudeau specifically exclude Christians?
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Not specifically... but he has
admitted publicly what he thinks of the Christian community........
so this sure seems like his attempt to marginalize Christians ......
at the same time that he jeopardizes the legal gains that the LGBTQ community have
already made in Canada........

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/steve-long-comments-on-canadian-election.429086/
Steve Long comments on Canadian election........

Pastor Steve Long:

"- I have met Justin Trudeau three times. I prophesied to him about 8 years ago that God wanted him as the leader of the Liberal party of Canada. Sadly my last meeting with him in his office was very disappointing. He told John & Carol Arnott and me that evangelical Christians were the worst part of Canadian society. Not good." (Steve Long)
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Here in Canada......
the Gay Community are in a position to speak out vehemently against
being labelled as automatically Pro-Choice... and Not Pro-Life by P. M. Trudeau and his
team of advisors.........
and Canada's Gay community could actually play a huge role in ushering in a whole new
way of looking at economics that places far, far, far, far, far higher value on all human lives......
the unborn, the young, the old.... all colours and ethnic groups and sexual persuasions..........

in a way... P. M. Trudeau is serving the being of light of NDE fame because
it seems obvious to me that the off the scale intelligences that almost certainly
exist in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy........
want all of us to get off the fence...... and choose a side.........
God wants us Hot or Cold... on the issue of the value of life.......
NOT LUKEWARM.....

Revelation 3:16

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

From the point of view of an Intelligence that has existed from infinite time in the past.......
who planned and choreographed an essentially infinite number of Big Bang type events......
human life.... .all human life... has off the scale essentially infinite value.......
but political leaders are all about playing games in order to win elections.....
even if they divide people and create a lot of unnecessary conflict between citizens......

I personally believe firmly that the souls of the victims of the holocaust on Jews, Gypsies, the Gay Community and Jehovah's Witnesses that happened during the Nazi era.... went on to a paradise much as the other thief on the cross.............
but.... I also believe that the souls of the unborn go on to a paradise... .but that DOES NOT EXCUSE ME
PERSONALLY FROM MY RELATIVE SILENCE AS ANOTHER TYPE OF GENOCIDE GOES ON..........
in Canadian hospitals where the unborn have zero legal protection.....ZERO... right up until the time of birth!

Near death experiencer Howard Storm Ph.D.:

"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.

We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. ...."These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."
...
I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart...."

I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events.// (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)
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Near death experiencers have also been shown that the unborn victims of abortion go to a paradise after their deaths.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20509374-divine-truths-revealed

DIVINE TRUTHS REVEALED
by Ariela Solsol (Goodreads Author)

CHAPTER TEN: LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION

Jesus was at my side as we walked together. He was taking me to a place that I could
sense was of great importance to Him. His tender love, compassion, and forgiveness
enveloped my spirit completely. He was speaking words of wisdom to my spirit as we
walked together on this journey through the firmament. The totally encompassing
unconditional love I felt at Jesus' side can only compare slightly to what we feel when we
spend quality time with our father, our husband, and our best friend, multiplied a
thousand times! I didn't know where we were going, but I knew that the place where He
was leading me to was very, very important to His Sacred Heart of love.

Suddenly we stopped and I could see the incredible beauty of the place we had just
arrived at. It was like a picture postcard. The scenery was extremely beautiful and perfect
to behold. The grass was greener than any grass on earth, and the flowers were of
incredible hues and shades which I had never seen on earth. There were swings, benches,
and many children playing everywhere. Then I also noticed that there were only children
in this beautiful garden. These children were always in the presence of Jesus, which was
reflected in the joy emanating from their little faces. I understood that this was the place
where aborted and miscarried babies go to.

"For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.
I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them."( Psalm 139: 13-16)
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"Life begins at conception. Once life is conceived, it is given an eternal soul. This eternal soul is just that... eternal. Under normal circumstances living out one's life on earth will determine the eternal destiny of our souls. It must either live forever in heaven with God in His kingdom or forever in hell with Satan in his kingdom. The children I wasnow observing before me were never given that chance. They left this world before they could ever make a choice.

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."( Jeremiah 1: 5)

These little children were now living in an eternal paradise, filled with gardens and bubbling brooks. Here they would be totally immersed in the joy and the presence of the Lord, forever!

To be in His presence... far surpasses anything we can attain on this earth! There was only one small detail lacking in this incredible place of joy and wonder. They were like little angels, who had come here, but not out of their own free will. They had never lived long enough, to exercise their God-given gift of free-will. They were as the angels, who also do not have free will. The angels do the will of the Father at all times. We, as human beings, are given free wills to exercise as we like. We make choices as to how we will live out our lives while here on earth. We are allowed to make choices each moment of our lives on earth." (Ariela Solsol)

"The sum of all life's choices will ultimately lead us to the realm of the Father or to the
realm of darkness forever. By the trials and tribulations that we endure here on earth, we
win eternal crowns for ourselves that will only become evident to us once we are there to
receive them. Yet these precious little children had never been given that chance. They
were never allowed to come to earth and win crowns for themselves the way that we are.
These children were snatched from their mother's wombs before they were ever given
this chance. This beautiful paradise contained all the souls of the aborted, still-born, or
children who died without ever knowing the difference between good and evil.

In this part of the Lord's revelation to me, there was a deep message of forgiveness.
Jesus allowed me to see my own little children who were in this marvelous place. They
were so happy to see me and I was crying tears of joy to be reunited with them again! I
knew that there would be a huge empty space in my life because of their absence. They
would have enriched and blessed my life if they had lived. I was the great loser. Abortion
is a sin against the child, but every bit as much a sin against the mother, also. We have no
way of knowing how this unborn child could have influenced our life, had it been
allowed to live." (Ariela Solsol Pereira)
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P. M. Justin Trudeau could be surprised at the shift that emerges out of his political gambit......... that although I consider to have been unwise and somewhat dangerous...... the result could be surprisingly positive......

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...y-gay-community-can-prevent-abortions.429951/
Adoption by Gay community can prevent abortions.

DennisTate said: ↑

Near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown that the Ancient of Days the Father and the Ancient of Days the Mother (The Holy Spirit) have plans for the LGBT community.

Many long term stable Gay couples could inspire dozens of heterosexual couples to be willing to become adoptive parents in the near future when Gay couples are more free to adopt a child.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=288114&page=10&p=1065488467#post1065488467

NDE message that God's has many plans for the Gay Community???
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DennisTate said: ↑

Durandal...... I get something like reality films in my head........I often have one when I just wake up................ Sometimes I get them in something like a daydream....... I saw one where a number of Gay couples enticed dozens and even hundreds of church going heterosexual couples into adopting kids that they ordinarily would NOT have adopted....... but there was a reality film being shot in which an expectant mom was deciding on whether or not to have an abortion or....... to adopt her baby out to a number of couples that were making her an offer......

There was a male Gay couple there........ in the film in my head....... and they gave the mom an offer that she was seriously considering....... They were willing to sign an agreement that would give her generous visitation rights ..............Pretty much all the church going heterosexual couples... viewed the mother as competition.... but the male Gay couple viewed mom....... as a feminine presence and role model in the life of the child... and did not view her as somebody to be gotten out of the picture altogether!?

In that little film I saw this Gay couple making offer after offer to expectant moms who were considering having an abortion...... or agreeing to an adoption...... The fact that the whole thing was filmed drew attention to the mom's situation and prospective adoptive parents were coming out of the woodwork from all angles............. partly to compete with the Gay couples that were there in the reality film series?!

The heterosexual couples may have been a bit self righteous and may have felt somewhat superior to the Gay couples in the reality film series........... but at least they were also making an offer to the mom.... and the bottom life could be an adoption rather than an abortion?!
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DennisTate · Jan 30, 2018

crank said: ↑

Meantime, did Trudeau specifically exclude Christians?
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For the record.......
P. M. Justin Trudeau's honesty about us Christians having really serious problems to overcome......
is a valid criticism that I have came to understand much better since 1990.......

I am a heterosexual Christian but
I have to admit that G-d showed me that my pride....
my anger... my self-righteousness..... my inner bitterness.......
was an even more serious sin in so many ways than sins of the flesh.........
I am 58 years old now.... and finally I can see that my judgmental attitude toward
other Christians... and other groups of people..... that I confronted especially beginning in 1990.....
was the type of sin that is up there with Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.........

"- I have met Justin Trudeau three times. I prophesied to him about 8 years ago that God wanted him as the leader of the Liberal party of Canada. Sadly my last meeting with him in his office was very disappointing. He told John & Carol Arnott and me that evangelical Christians were the worst part of Canadian society. Not good." (Pastor Steve Long)
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One important positive result of this conflict.....
could be a massive increase in humility by us Christians....
as we are shown to take our own sins..... just as seriously.....
or even more seriously.... than what we perceive as the sins of others.......

http://64.71.77.248/fq-protestant/tfq-en.html

The Evil Army

I saw a demonic army so large that it stretched as far as I could see. It was separated into divisions, with each carrying a different banner. The foremost and most powerful divisions were Pride, Self righteousness, Respectability, Selfish Ambition, and Unrighteous Judgment, but the largest of all was Jealousy. The leader of this vast army was the Accuser of the Brethren himself. I knew that there were many more evil divisions beyond my scope of vision, but these were the vanguard of this terrible horde from hell that was now being released against the church.

The weapons carried by this horde had names on them: the swords were named Intimidation; the spears were named Treachery; and their arrows were named Accusations, Gossip, Slander and Faultfinding. Scouts and smaller companies of demons with such names as Rejection, Bitterness, Impatience, Un-forgiveness and Lust were sent in advance of this army to prepare for the main attack. I knew in my heart that the church had never faced anything like this before.

The main assignment of this army was to cause division. It was sent to attack every level of relationship-churches with each other, congregations with their pastors, husbands and wives, children and parents, and even children with each other. The scouts were sent to locate the openings in churches, families or individuals that rejection, bitterness, lust, etc., could exploit and make a larger breech for the divisions that were coming.

The most shocking part of this vision was that this horde was not riding on horses, but on Christians! Most of them were well-dressed, respectable, and had the appearance of being refined and educated. These were Christians who had opened themselves to the powers of darkness to such a degree that the enemy could use them and they would think that they were being used by God. The Accuser knows that a house divided cannot stand, and this army represented his ultimate attempt to bring such complete division to the church that she would completely fall from grace." (Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest)
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Matthew 12:24, 31, 32

¶
But when the Pharisees heard about the miracle, they said, “No wonder he can cast out demons. He gets his power from Satan,[fn] the prince of demons.”
...............
“So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven—except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven.

Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.

DoctorWho · Jan 31, 2018

Read up on Ethics of the Fathers,
The life of Rabbi Akiva,

And the effects of lashon hara.

https://www.sefaria.org/Chofetz_Cha...a_and_Rechilut,_Negative_Commandments?lang=bi

DennisTate · Jan 31, 2018

DoctorWho said: ↑

Read up on Ethics of the Fathers,
The life of Rabbi Akiva,

And the effects of lashon hara.

https://www.sefaria.org/Chofetz_Cha...a_and_Rechilut,_Negative_Commandments?lang=bi
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It is my belief that Jewish group vs Jewish group slander......
gossip and backbiting.... led to the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple.......
I have also read that Rabbi Akiva had convinced Simon Bar Kochba that
after getting rid of the Romans.......
he should ethnically cleanse the Roman Province of Judaea of Messianic Jews........
because Sid Roth believes that there may have been as many as 400,000 of them by
the time of Rabbi Akiva........

Talk about irony........

http://www.thesanhedrin.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=807&sid=0a7defed685a9fa3e8d2f03872eaae1b

A tragic misunderstanding
Times UK
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article5504478.ece

A small group of Jews and Arabs are using an old theory and new genetic research to redefine - and, hopefully, one day to end - the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

James Hider

In a bustling fish restaurant in Jaffa, the ancient sea port just south of Tel Aviv, an Israeli Jewish man tries to convince the eatery's Arab owner that everything he has ever thought about his Palestinian heritage is wrong - that the conflict that has killed so many and which is claiming hundreds more right now in Gaza - has been nothing more than a tragic case of mistaken identity. Khamis Aboulafia, a well-known figure in the Israeli Arab community, listens politely as Tsvi Misinai, a retired computer expert and pioneer of Israel's IT sector, reveals the burning vision that has consumed him for years. He believes that the Palestinians with whom Israel is at war are, in fact, descendants of Jews who stayed on the land when the Roman legions sent most of their countrymen into exile 2,000 years ago.

When he hears that he may be a long-lost relation of a Jew, rather than of Arab stock, Aboulafia - an educated man who speaks Hebrew as fluently as Arabic - does not ask his guest to leave. Instead, he nods slowly. �Why am I willing to accept the idea?� he says. �Because all of the other ideas have fallen down.�

After a century-long struggle with guns and tanks, human bombs, soaring walls and settlements on remote,windswept hilltops, a small group of Jews and Arabs are now using an old theory and new genetic research to redefine - and, they hope, end - the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. With the death toll from the latest round of carnage in the Gaza Strip topping 900 people, Misinai believes that his quixotic cause is more pressing than ever.

The theory was originally developed by David Ben Gurion, Israel's first Prime Minister. But it has gained a new lease of life since a study into a rare blood disorder shared by Jews and Palestinians revealed a closer genetic match between the communities than between Palestinians and other Arabs. �It's all a tragic mistake, a tragic misunderstanding,� said Misinai, who divides his time between tracking down Palestinians who acknowledge their Jewish heritage, and lobbying ministers, ambassadors, religious leaders and activists in both communities.

His relentless pursuit echoes the work, more than a century ago, of Theodor Herzl, the spiritual founder of modern Zionism, who petitioned emperors, sultans and politicians for the creation of a Jewish homeland - which for a while was slated to be set up in British-run Uganda.

�It takes time for people to get used to the idea. Assume that you are brought up to think that this is your enemy, and they are brought up to think that we are the enemy. And telling them now, this is a mistake, we are brothers,� said Misinai, a portly 62-year-old with a brown goatee and boundless energy. He admits that it could take decades for the communities to come to terms with his �revolutionary� theory, but he takes comfort from Ben Gurion's saying: �In Israel, in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles.�

Instead of waiting for his own miracle, Misinai is enlisting an increasing number of Israelis and Palestinians. He has already recruited some unlikely supporters, from a Fatah official, to the secretary of the Sanhedrin, a council of 200 rabbis based on the biblical rulers of Jerusalem. Misinai has also taken his idea to at least one Israeli Government minister, who expressed interest but asked not to be identified. According to his theory, when Jewish fighters waged a series of unsuccessful campaigns against the occupying Roman forces in the 1st and 2nd centuries AD, the Romans exacted a heavy price: they destroyed the temple in Jerusalem and exiled the vast majority of Jews.

Those who ended up in the Diaspora - mostly city dwellers - were determined to keep their Jewish identities during exile. But according to Misinai, many were allowed to stay behind to work the fertile uplands of Judea and Samaria - now known as the West Bank - to supply Rome with grain and olive oil.
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DennisTate · Feb 10, 2018

DoctorWho said: ↑

Read up on Ethics of the Fathers,
The life of Rabbi Akiva,

And the effects of lashon hara.

https://www.sefaria.org/Chofetz_Cha...a_and_Rechilut,_Negative_Commandments?lang=bi
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I am 99% certain that if Rabbi Akiva could
appear to somebody in a dream..... he would
probably recommend reading this material:

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay-and-lesbian.html

Near-Death Experiences of Gays and Lesbians
By Kevin R. Williams, B.Sc.

Dr. Liz Dale (www.lizdale.com) is a clinical psychologist who was motivated to work on a near-death experience study in the gay and lesbian community. Her motivation came to her upon learning that no such studies existed. After putting together a questionnaire she contacted the gay community through a popular San Francisco newspaper. Over a two-year period, more than 30 people responded to her questionnaire. Her findings are documented in her excellent book entitled Crossing Over & Coming Home published through Emeraldlink which also published the excellent NDE book entitled When Ego Dies.
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DennisTate · Apr 24, 2018

crank said: ↑

Meantime, did Trudeau specifically exclude Christians?
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That is how the legislation is being applied.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/summer-jobs-program-1.4491602

Trudeau is asking religious Canadians to betray their conscience for federal funding
The Liberals have applied an ideological purity test to their applications for summer job grants

........

http://nationalpost.com/news/politi...lause-in-canada-summer-jobs-grant-application

Hundreds of churches, camps and charities protest abortion clause in Canada Summer Jobs grant application
'The very groups that the Liberal government claims to care about — students, refugees, children and people in need — will all lose because of these changes'

OTTAWA — Churches and religious groups across the country are struggling over what to do with a confusing clause in the Canada Summer Jobs application that seems to require them to endorse access to abortions in order to get funding.

The new “attestation” on the grant application is aimed at anti-abortion groups who have received the federal grants in the past. It requires stating that your organization’s core mandate respects “reproductive rights,” along with other human rights, and the online application can’t be submitted unless the box is checked.

But hundreds of churches, charities, day camps and other religious organizations who hire students for summer programming are upset about the attestation, saying they feel like they’re being forced to sign a statement that goes against their beliefs.

“As a small Christian church that was planning to apply for the Canada Summer Jobs program to offer a summer internship, the recent changes have been quite a shock and disappointment,” said Brad Jones, the pastor at Woodgreen Presbyterian Church in Calgary.

He said their church has sponsored three Syrian refugees and offers a free English-as-a-second-language cafe to the community. “And yet, because of our commitment to the sanctity of life and to biblical teachings, our government is discriminating against us,” he said.
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DennisTate · Jul 16, 2018

DoctorWho said: ↑

This is a clear case of discrimination based on Religious or personal beliefs and or Religion.
Funding should not be based on ones personal or Religious beliefs.

It is sad such legislation is permitted in Canada, here in the U.S. no one person has that much power.
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Even the CBC agrees with you and I on this......

Trudeau is asking religious Canadians to betray their conscience for federal funding
The Liberals have applied an ideological purity test to their applications for summer job grants

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