Pa. governor won't appeal ruling legalizing gay marriage

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  1. ProgressivePatriot

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    Here is the Pennsylvania story part 2 since the original PA thread started when a federal judge tossed out that states gay marriage ban is now closed due to capacity. It was indeed a lively one! Now a new development:

    It's apparent that we are seeing a pattern here. Not long ago, the governor of NJ, also a Republican and a Catholic who is opposed to same sex marriage tossed in the towel and withdrew an appeal after a state judge ruled that gays must be allowed to marry. As in New Jersey, PA is a done deal unless there are new developments. In both states, the governors capitulated, not because they saw the light, but because they we're facing an almost certain defeat in a higher court.

    At the same time, cases from several other states are certain to be headed for SCOTUS.

    Perhaps we can keep this thread focused on the legal issues and dispense with the clap trap about polygamy, incest and pedophilia that infected the first PA. thread
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please let the trolls fade into obscurity, feeding them only makes more, think of gremlins but much worse...

    Back on topic: I am glad the cycle of throwing tax payers money away to defend unconstitutional practices is coming to an end. I wish all this energy could have been put into the economy and more pressing issues but I guess pandering to the frenge was easier.
     
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    One of the disadvantages of public participation in government is that the public can be amazingly dumb or entirely emotional. For example, science in the US is gasping for breath while research grants become smaller and rarer. But the US has been fighting purposeless wars at a cost so high that a single WEEK'S expense would equal scientific support for several years! Voters want war (which they understand and which makes much better TV), and not science (which they don't, and which makes terrible TV).

    And here with the same sex marriage issue, we see a (milliion time smaller) waste of taxpayer money defending what the voters clearly wanted at one time. And we see Corbett and others throwing in the towel not to save money at all, but rather because the polls indicate that the votes are changing sides. If the votes were NOT changing sides, it would be a first class political win to fight the losing legal cause as visibly as possible, grandstanding all the way. Sure, it would cost more and you'd lose in court, but so what? The goal of politics is to win elections, not court cases.
     
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    Whether you want to deal with it or not, Its still is not incest.
     
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    Yeah, I know. You have no regard for equal protection of the law and are instead only concerned about the gays.
     
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    Id say its because it seems every Federal judge has switched sides, using dicta from the Windsor case as legal precedent.
     
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    Switched from what prior decisions they've made? I would say every judge has TAKEN the side backed by both the 14th Amendment and the DOMA decision which (albeit indirectly) recognized same-sex marriage as legitimate at the federal level. The logic I've seen applied is that if the federal government must recognize and respect such marriages, then there is nothing inherently illegal about them. And if they aren't illegal, then equal protection of the law clearly applies.

    But I also note that judges are well aware that their decisions in such social matters cannot get either too far ahead of, or too far behind, changing social sentiment.
     
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    i won't feed the troll !
     
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    There really is no use, his nonsense isn't really valid to this discussion.
     
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    That's why I'm ignoring him. He poisons the well wherever he goes.
     
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    heterosexuals can not marry their grand mother today, so that is not even a comparison, were talking about gender discrimination here

    marriage makes two unrelated people related by law, if your already related, there is no need to get married

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    It's no use!! Don't feed the troll!!
     
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    Too bad they arent aware that their decisions are supposed to be according to the dictates of the constitution, not popular sentiment.
     
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    No,relevance to the thread.
     
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    Plain English of the 14th amendment is a dictate of the constitution, lol
     
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    Direct response to the quoted post within this thread.
     
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    Remember, to dixon....NOT discriminating against gays....is discrimination.

    :D
     
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    Don't feed the troll!
     
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    LOL...okay. Besides it's gotten boring, the merry-go-round of rationalizations.

    Given the PA Governor is a Republican and WAS a big anti-gay marriage guy....I'm wondernig how this will start to play out in the national GOP.

    On one hand, they HAVE to "feed the trolls"....their Social Cons by keep promising to "fight to defend traditional marriage"....but politicaly it's a loser for the GOP outside of their Base and has no future
     
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    There is no discrimination against gays. Show me any marriage law that does so.
     
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    As ever, you have it backwards. The US Constitution in fact DEMANDS something that, up until a decade ago, wasn't going to happen because of overwhelming public sentiment. So until fairly recently, the courts could not decide according to the Constitution and make it stick. Now they can.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Would amendments in more than half the state constitutions satisfy you? Or are you just playing your usual games, pretending you just can't for the life of you understand how second-class legal citizenship is discrimination. Do you think anyone is going to fall for that?
     
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    Right, Christie in NJ faced the same problem. Some bigots criticized him for withdrawing the appeal, but others understand that it was a strategic retreat. They mad their own bed and they can lay in it.
     
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    They never get tired of the same bovine excrement..."gays are not discriminated against because they can marry someone of the opposite sex, just like straight people can" It's beyond asinine. It's vicious.
     
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    I honestlydon't think it would alter the conversation if we did.
     
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