Palestinians increase mortar fire on Israel as Ramadan continues.

Killing all the Palestinians in gaza and/or the West bank is not genocide. They are Arabs. Plenty of Arabs in other countries like Jordan.

 

They can't expect anyone to give them statehood until they do control their so called state.

 

Killing the Semites is genocide regardless of how strongly Zionists hate them.

 

Correct. Good thing the Zionists never attempted to clear Palestina and Israel from Arabs, much unlike how the Arabs tried to cleanse the Middle East from Jews.

 

Are you saying that Israel already recognized and accepted the nation of Palestine?

 

If Hamas cannot control its territory why should it be recognized as a govt.?

 

Because apartheid is not a good thing unless one is a Zionist. One needs to allow the citizens of another nation to run their own affairs if one is unwilling to treat them as equal citizens of Israel.

 

Israel will never have peace with the Palestinians. It doesn't matter what the Israelis do. However, I will observe that it is likely that Israel will follow the Syrian model in the treatment of Palestinians. Check it out:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...attacks-palestinian-refugee-camp-2338823.html

 

Because its not a government. It is supposed to be a political party.
The Palestinian Authority is the government.

As for controlling its territory, it more or less does to the extent that Israel allows them. They don't have much of a police force and not much of a judicial system in gaza. Mostly they have armed gangs of Hamas thugs patrolling the hamas areas while armed gangs of IJ, PLFP, et.al. thugs hunker down in their territories.

There is a lot of national development required to enable the palestinian people to have self determination in their own nation. At the moment there are too many non-state actors with weapons.

 

If what you say is true the Palestinians are like Americans. Israeli settlers and illegal aliens from mexico are identical. They both destroyed the self-determination of the prior residents. If Americans can't have self-determination I see no reason for the Palestinians to have self-determination.

 

Can't wait until the US has the courage to exit itself from the primitive modern day Crusade, stops policing, and worries about our own problems.

 

In fact, Hamas is the elected government. The Fatah ' government ' of Mahmoud Abbas is the West Bank based vestige of the US/Zionist backed coup which failed to oust the legitimately-elected government of Hamas in 2006. The money and arms shipments to Fatah are a matter of public record and US/Zionist rightists are actually proud of fomenting civil war.
Abbas has not even been the legitimate Palestinian president since January of 2009.

 

If Hamas is elected then the Palestinians have no right to whine and moan during and after cast lead, after all it was a response to their governments continuous Jihad to kill all Jews.

 

Anti-democratic European racist fantasies won't prevent the eventual liberation of Palestine from the Zionist jackboot. Israeli fascism is becoming evident, even to global dullards. Dutch fascism too, incidentally, of the Geert Wilders variety.

 

Who is going to liberate Palestine? The Arabs. Poor choice. They haven't won yet.

Quantrill

 

Hamas is might have won the election back in 2007, but things didn't go quite as planned. Yes, Fatah and the PLO attempted to oust Hamas from Gaza (with support from US and Israel) and like most things palestinian they completely screwed up. A short and relatively bloodless civil war ended with Fatah humiliatingly kicked out of Gaza.

It does not negate the fact that in order for Palestine to become a nation, it needs a heck of a lot of development in the institutions that make democratic governance possible. The very least of which is a working independent judiciary, something more than the basic law, and accompanied by a non-partisan constabulary.

 

that's funny, truly funny.

 

Who is going to achieve this liberation of Palestine? Do you mean the liberation of all of historic palestine or just the occupied territories?

BTW, jackboots are cool. I love the indentations it makes on the foreheads of puny global dullards.

 

They mean the whole place. No space left over for Jews to have their Israel. That is what they mean.

 

Ah the old wet dream.

It is impossible to "liberate all of historic palestine".

Military defeat of the Israelis will result in mushroom clouds above a number of arab cities. And you can be sure that Israel, the WB and Gaza will be uninhabitable for decades. when the jews said never again, they really really meant it - hence all those guns, tanks and a-bombs.

 

Actually what will be liberated is Israel. Israel will liberate its homeland from its enemies.

Quantrill

 

You mean, Israel will attempt such, but without the financing of the US tax payer. Americans generally oppose ethnic cleansing, apartheid and the Zion-based Semite hatred of the post-Nazi era.

 

You should look at Israeli budget. The 3 billion they get is roughly 3% of their annual budget. And its all military spending which actually creates US jobs in the military industrial complex.

Seems to me you would be much more comfortable in the Nazi era. I can imagine you in a spiffy black uniform in an Einsatzgruppen.

 

Indeed which is why they support Israel.

 

Ah, the Israel of Fox News and Hasbara Central. Americans are getting wise to those lies. Some of them have the Internet.