Papa John's apologizes for criticizing NFL players' national anthem protests

^ Thread win #3.

 

More than a bit, but yes indeed.

 

I was going to try Papa Johns. Now I can stick with Dominos. Papa Johns needs to fire its overpaid PR advisors.

 

Just yours.

 

Yes, it did.

But you didn't?

 

The players' message is that not all is as well as the government would have you believe. Their message is that social injustice, defined in many ways, is still rampant in the US.

And their message is spot on.

Moreover, from the 1943 case West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, Mr. Justice Robert Jackson of Nuremberg fame, declared among other things :If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein."

Sorry, you and Trump are on the wrong side of the law.

 

Total fantasy of yours which has been repeatedly debunked.

But you insist we never landed on the moon, so...

...no moon rocks for you.

 

Luckily, Trump did nothing wrong, so all is well.

 

And there we go - projecting a 1943 case (~ 75 years ago) into the present to justify a false narrative. But that's what lib progs do.

There is no justice in "social justice". The modifier "social" takes all meaning out of the word "justice" because it indicates that to provide "social justice" to some selected group another group must be denied justice. Affirmative action is a great example. So are racial hiring quotas. Justice is ensured by working to eliminate all instances of injustice such as an Asian student being denied access to a top university because someone with lesser qualifications is admitted to meet a quota.

 

Players, owners unite as Trump demands NFL ‘fire or suspend’ players or risk fan boycott

also...what?

 

That’s at the start of the season.

The statement Papa John made occurred later, after more than just the start of the season.

And I did read the press release. They said they were sorry anyone was offended by their assessment. They didn’t walk the assessment back. They didn’t say their assessment was wrong.

Without a doubt the “apology” was political. They were facing backlash from the public over it. Hmmm maybe that’s not political?

 

I know you weren't asking me but I have an answer.

Let us recall what happened in the cities of...

Berkeley, Chicago, Charlottesville, Miami, L.A., New Hampshire, Washington D.C., Phoenix, Birch Run, Richmond, Raleigh, Aiken, Grand Rapids, Lowell, Burlington, Valdosta, Louisville, Fayetteville, St. Louis, Dayton, Kansas City, Salt Lake City, Tuscon, Fountain Hills, Costa Mesa, Manhattan, Burlingame, Anaheim, San Jose, Portland, Minneapolis, Reno, Hollywood...

...from mid 2016 to early 2017.

Legions of leftists attempting to stop people from assembling for the purpose of rallying or protesting.

Violence occurred at every single one of those cities I listed.

Violence as a result of leftists attacking people or police.

No it never did. Liberals didn't think before they got triggered, surprise surprise.

Yea they were losing money because their ad partner, the NFL, sided with racist anti-Americans.
So Papa Johns took a stand against it.
The NFL upheld its position to allow racist anti-Americans do conduct their disgusting display.
Papa Johns is now at a negotiative disadvantage with the NFL.
So they reverse their stance.
Except now they come off as just being another entity supporting these racist anti-Americans.
Sucks for PJ's they lose no matter what.
If I bought pizza I'd never buy theirs just for showing weak convictions.
(but I got my own pizza oven /highfive)

 

You are on the wrong side of comprehension. You not only misunderstood my post (Intentionally) you don't understand the law. It is 100% legal to fire an employee for what they do or say. Once you put on your McDonalds hat, you can be fired for serving a side order of politics with a happy meal.

By refusing to discipline or terminate their players for pushing politics while flying under their colors, they now own the message.

This issue is close to home for me because I have close family who have been brutalized by police. Since we are not black, the abuse of power is acceptable in the eyes of the NFL.

I have never suggested that they be silenced or that their right to free speech should be infringed on in any way. I hear their message and have decided to avoid having any of my hard earned money end up in the hands of the NFL.

Since you have also taken ownership of their message, would you care to tell us where you are employed?

 

You seem to have jumped to conclusions, speaking for the NFL and how they accept abuse of power.

Are you trying to say you work for the NFL?

I'm semi-retired and self employed, but what does that have to do with the Barnette case?

Are you further suggesting that the terms of employment are tantamount to involuntary servitude regarding political or religious issues? For example, in your view may a Christian employee be forbidden from wearing a crucifix on his shirt or jacket?

 

You must not have read the original press release he was apologizing for. It said that they beat expectations in the 3rd quarter. That is football season...... they were down in q1 and q2 and they wen UP in q3 which is football season. The actual numbers completely contradict his political statement

 

That is the beginning of football season. 3rd quarter ended sept 30, so 3 weeks of games. We are now in week 11. 4th quarter will show it, not 3rd. The third quarter is the summer, when all the kids are off school etc.

They still haven’t walked back their assessment of things and how they are going in the 4th quarter.

 

He made the statement in the 3rd quarter ?

And if you read the release, they are “expecting a downturn”, but are blaming that downturn on the NFL, which is ridiculous. Their Q3 numbers show that. They claim their sales “usually increase during football season”, which they did in the 3rd quarter, and now they “predict” that they will decline in the 4th quarter.......so how can they blame the NFL for a loss in Q4, when the numbers obviously show the opposite was true in Q3 ?

They are pulling their adds in Q4 which will obviously have an impact on their numbers, but is that the NFL’s fault, or Papa Johns for pulling their advertising ?

 

Papa John's has hurt their image big time, not sure they can recover

 

when a business becomes politicize it's likely they will lose half their customers, NEVER a wise more

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/PZZA/ go to year to date

This had nothing to do with their image.

 

50% of all customers? Yikes, I'd need to see a source for that conclusion. I'd venture more like less than 1%.

 

Kill pizza and football! LOL!

Is the NFL gone yet? I want to see football-free TV! YAY!!!

More Masterpiece Theater, more Nights at Lincoln Center, more PBS, more Star Trek reruns! It is really fun to imagine football-free holidays. And with all the brain damage issues, high school and college ball are certainly destined for the dustbin of history. No one can defend doing brain damage to kids.

Kill the NFL and we are well on our way to being rid of this nonsense once and for all!

 

Everyone is worried about symbolism and faux patriotism, but don't give a damn about the brain damage done to the players. What really matters here?

Brett Favre wouldn't want his kid playing football!

 

How did you come up with that? The players are the ones speaking for the NFL. The NFL accepts and takes ownership of that message.

I did not suggest anything; I wrote exactly what I meant and it can be taken at face value. But since you asked...

If a uniform is required and there is a policy against adding images, then they may not have the image of a crucifix showing. If they operate machinery, they may not wear a religious symbol that increases the risk of injury. Religion is protected, but lets not pretend that it means a burka can be worn while operating a drill press!

While there are many protected messages they may post on social media, there are many things they may not post while employed or they risk being fired.

Lets say you hired an independent driver to deliver your product. Any messages on their vehicle or person represent you and your company. If you continue to hire him, it becomes your message. Try to stay with me here...

As a customer, that message may influence whether or not I choose to do business with you again.

 

The players are speaking for the NFL? In the first place, they are not speaking. They are remaining silent, and by kneeling instead of standing, they are expressing dissent. They criticize nobody with their silence, they express their dissent regarding social injustice.

On Thursday night, not for the first time, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin was wearing his normal crucifix around his neck.

Well yes, the customer is free to buy a product or not. You're getting profound here, stating the obvious. Yes, safety considerations may preclude the wearing of jewelry of any sort, but for the average office worker sitting behind a desk, he is free to wear whatever religious ornamentation he desires.

If the atheist boss prohibits his office workers from wearing religious ornamentation, there would be a problem. If a Christian boss prohibits his workers from wearing the ornamentation of another religion, there is a problem. The same principles apply if an employer prohibits free speech.