Parkland First Responder: I was Told to Stand Down, ‘I could have saved lives’

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  1. Grugore

    Grugore Active Member

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    Call me a conspiracy nut, but this just strikes me as suspicious. There have been accusations that these school shootings are being orchestrated by some shadowy government agency, bent on total confiscation of firearms. Don't know if it's true or not, but I smell a rat. After all, if you're going to stage something like this, you want high body counts. Why were those first responders ordered NOT to go in and save those children? Whoever gave that order needs to be investigated. This whole thing just stinks.

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/parkla...d-to-stand-down-i-could-have-saved-lives.html
     
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    Conspiracy theorists love to ask 'who benefits?', as if that somehow constitutes evidence. So lets play the game.

    Look at the result of shootings like this - gun sales spike. The Obama Administration was a golden age for gun sales and every time some kids got shot up people rushed out to buy more guns, ammo etc. More people joined the NRA, donated money and entrenched their views on gun laws.

    So, if the real beneficiaries of this are gun manufacturers & the NRA, why not look there first? We know that they have supporters all over and connections to the very top of government. Let the investigations begin!
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Asking questions about certain details of events and stories makes one a CT?

    I guess that is a back-handed compliment? I was taught that asking questions is a sign of intelligence.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    When I first read this, I had to consider the source so I was skeptical. But apparently there are several sources for this claim besides Prison Planet.

    https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=p...&type=avastbcl&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

    And rather than question the reason for the first responder's claim of the events, you want to call it a "conspiracy theory" for "conspiracy theorists" and dismiss it as such. As already noted intelligent people ask questions, they don't automatically label and dismiss based on inconvenient facts. Trump the dufus-in-chief does the same thing, rather than question, he automatically condemns.
     
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    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    Intelligent people do indeed ask questions. They do so to gain more information with which to draw a conclusion. Unfortunately when conspiracy theorists pose questions they do so in order to buttress a pre-existing conclusion. They also use phrases like 'keep an open mind' to do the same thing, as their minds are very far from open to any conclusion other than their own.

    I notice neither of you actually addressed the content of my post. Can't say I'm surprised. Not holding my breath.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Your whining about conspiracy theorists was addressed. It's off topic though.
     
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    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    No, it is very much on topic. Why is my theory any less credible than anyone else's? I use the same logic and data points but posit a different conclusion. I suspect that is the problem here - my conspiracy theory draws the 'wrong' conclusion. For all the talk of 'questions', 'logic', 'evidence' and 'open minds' only a narrow set of conclusions are permissible. Religion by another name.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    That's incorrect, this topic is not about conspiracy theorists.

    You admitted you're playing a game, see below quote from your post:

    So you're not stating any legitimate theory or even addressing the topic, you're playing a game and therefore you're not credible. You're off topic.

    Personally, I don't claim to know why the responders weren't allowed to go in and I have no theory, never mind a conspiracy theory. And I can't even say there was anything sinister involved in the events, but there's absolutely no reason not to question what happened. There may be a problem here, maybe not. We can't know unless and until this is legitimately investigated and investigations begin with questions. But that's just my take.

    It seems to me by the tone of your post you are only interested in attacking those you label "conspiracy theorists" who do question what happened. That would be trolling.
     
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    My theory is as 'legitimate' as anyone else's. It is every bit as soundly based as many of the theories in this section. It uses the much favored 'who benefits?' device. Why am I not allowed to simply posit a theory for consideration? Of course we know the answer - because only certain conclusions are permissible.

    Thank you for reminding everyone that conspiracy theorists play on a tilted field designed to support a particular faith. Anyone who has the intellectual honesty to actually ask questions without an 'acceptable' conclusion already worked out gets shut out of Church.

    This whole section is 'trolling'.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with your theory if it was stated honestly. By your own admission, you're not taking part in the discussion, you're here to denounce "conspiracy theorists" and play games.

    Actually you're trolling and being intellectually dishonest. Had you just stated your theory without the extra added BS, your post would have been taken in serious context. But you didn't do that did you? The two highlighted sentences give you away and pretty much sums up your true agenda for posting in this section of the forum. Sorry but you're way too transparent, no one is that stupid.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Regarding "...they do so in order to buttress a pre-existing conclusion", you could not be more wrong. I believed that government story for a number of years, because I was conditioned to do so by the mainstream media.

    By asking questions and seeking answers, I had no pre-existing conclusion. If I did, it would have been that the official story was true.

    It appears that your mind is so closed that you are afraid of knowing the truth. Not just about 911 and other stories, but also the Parkland shooting last month.

    Intelligent people inform themselves, and the first step to that process is asking questions. Those who refuse to ask questions are simply not the sharpest tool in the shed.
     

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