Part 37 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

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    Part 37 is a continuation of Post Your Tough Questions pertaining to God/Jesus/Holy Bible and I will do my best to clarify and make sense of it to those who are unaware...I still have questions and comments I haven't responded to in Part 9 thru 36.

    I don't want my intentions to come across as converting you or whatever lol... but rather clear up things etc... so ask away. Also I don't want people to feel like I'm ignoring your question/questions/comment/comments, like I said I'm still answering questions on Part 9 and so yes, I'm far behind.

    And so when your question comes up and if it is coherent enough in my view I will then answer it. Sometimes I do answer questions out of order but for the most part I answer them as I'm going through the threads. Ok thanks for your understanding & patience!...so again ask away.
     
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    Christianity preaches that "sin" is an offense against your god...or against your god's will. In other words, it is something that offends your god.

    Your god, supposedly, is willing to "forgive" humans for doing the things humans do (and which offend the god)...but according to your Bible, you first had to torture and kill his "only begotten son."

    That sounds nuts.

    If it were a human attaching a condition like that to a request for "forgiveness"...the human would end up in a psycho ward.

    So...why is the act considered such a wonderous one by Christians?
     
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    Onna Counta it says so in days book....means its supertrue.
     
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    God is perfect. The soul that sins must die. The payment for sin is death. Jesus took the punishment in our place.
     
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    Can the resurrection of Jesus be proven as fact?
     
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    its wondrous because He would do so. God is a Spirit and has no compunction about the flesh. He need no flesh to be, man does. so the Lord Jesus Christ surrendering His Life that is perfect in the flesh therefore righteous before God, gave it to us via shedding it if you will so that we may receive it. does the method seem strange, not really, but God is the Creator and Judge of all things therefore His way is the best way all the time. you see Jesus being of God can't die.

    anyways when the Word of God is disobeyed that would be sin and separation from God's sight, presence if you will. so in order to set thing a right Jesus had to walk the walk that God intended for man to walk. Jesus did this for God's will and for mankind.

    God's Son given into the hands of men doesn’t change what men would do, God knew what the outcome would be. You don’t have to be God to know what wicked men do to other righteous men when they have the power to do so, without fear of reprisal, or danger to themselves. Even in the sense of “just a man” Jesus was a righteous man in every sense of the word.


    But Jesus isn’t just a man, and to give the Life to the world of men, He had to go where they are and make way for the living in God’s Presence. He came in to the world just as other men do, and left the world just as the least of men do, condemned and scorned. Jesus the Son of God from God (you should read Gospel according to John chapter 1, if you haven’t) that is the Word of God made flesh and is the Light of the world, came into the world to restore man to the Life that was “lost” by Adam and Eve, that they had before they ate of the tree and died from afterwards.


    It is said He went to were the souls are after the cross, and returned to His Father in Heaven. Then revealed Himself to the apostles and other followers. When people are “born again” they are born of spirit the Holy Spirit and are restored to the life that was lived before the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    You must understand that though one’s body may perish under the sun, one’s soul remains. Abel’s blood cried unto God from the ground. that tell us that one isn’t completely extinguished for existence, only removed from this world.
     
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    God is supposedly omniscient, right? Not even a human judge would allow the innocent to pay for a crime they knew he did not commit. Is it your claim that a perfect god has no sense of simple justice?
     
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    What then is a 'spirit'. You have no idea, I have no idea. It's simply a man made idea. And we have no idea, except what the Bible says, as to whether Jesus was sinless in his entire life. Perhaps someone should have asked his parents.The Bible is not the Word of God. It is the work of man. To anyone studying the Bible against the background of history etc. this is obvious. The idea of the soul after death comes from Judaism.

    Quote It is said He went to were the souls are after the cross, quote. Herein lies the problem 'it is said'. John's whole purpose was to make Jesus divine many decades after Jesus death.
    Abels blood has nothing to do with his soul. His blood is just evidence of the death of Abel. As it happens that's just a myth anyway. Adam and Eve, the creation story, Noah and his impossible flood are all found in earlier literature, modified for Hebrew beliefs. Anyone who sticks to the Bible stories of the above, and of Abraham, Moses etc has never studied ancient times.

    Jesus descending into 'hell', or the place of 'souls' rather conflicts with the teaching 'It is appointed unto man but once to die, and after that the judgement'. Hebrews.

    Jesus was a Jewish preacher. He came into the world as a man. Nothing like the Nativity stories tell. He lived and died as a man, condemned by Jealous Religious hierarchy who could not stand being told they had fallen from Yahwehs standards.
     
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    (Continuing from part 36)-
     
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    (From part 36)
    The Wyrd of Gawd said- What did Hitler do that was unbiblical or even un-Christian?
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    Well he bombed my 18-yr-old mother in a night raid on Leicester (England) in 1940, what cheek!
    (She and her family survived without a scratch but others weren't so lucky)
    He also bombed other Brit cities but thankfully the milk for peoples tea always got through..:)

    London milkman
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    you don't watch the news much do you?
     
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    Why "must" a soul that sins die? I thought you said your god could do the impossible? Why couldn't he just waive the punishment entirely?
     
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    well for one, your not the one who asked the question I responded to, so what's your point? and two, you don't believe anything the bible says, we get it, more than once, but thing is, this thread isn't about you. this thread is about what the Bible says, and the beliefs therein, not your disbelief. which is boring at best.
     
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    Heaven is an elite gated community mate, so if God let in the riffraff it'd be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood"..;)
     
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    God provided the punishment for sin himself. He did take care of it. God is just. To waive the punishment would be unjust. By providing the sacrifice for my sin himself it proves God's love and mercy.
     
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    But you can be a horrible person but accept Jesus and still go to heaven, so how is that keeping the riffraff out?
     
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    Prove it..:)
     
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    God could just as easily withdraw the punishment. To say a sinner must die is to say there is something your supposedly allpowerful god can't change.
     
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    You're no longer riff raff when you believe. You're a new creature.
     
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    The solution was provided, so you have no point.
     
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    Then your god could just as easily make new creatures of people who don't believe.
     
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    Or rather your point had no logic to it.
     
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    Why should he bless you when you don't acknowledge Him? Very selfish on your part. You wouldn't bless me if I ignored you and bad mouthed you to everyone.
     
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    So rather than "sinners must die", it's god's ego is so huge he won't let anyone but slavish worshippers near him.
     
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    Do you think it's slavish worship to love the one that created you and wants you to live eternally with Him in a paradise?
     
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