Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

A former Christian, now an agnostic lecturing good Christians? What man mad hate? Stopping illegal entry into the US by people breaking the sovereign laws of the US doesn't fall under the category of man mad hate. It is called enforcing the laws of the country. People can emigrate to this country but they must do it in a legal manner....fill out the paperwork and wait in line until your name is called.

 

Sounds very much like what the early Church was teaching Christians adherents !

http://www.torahresource.com/EnglishArticles/Fiscus Judaicus.pdf

 

You have more personalities than Sybil.

 

For once you got something correct ! This however is just one of many false doctrines - many of which were put forth by Paul. Paul had a tendency to make things up as he went along.

Unfortunately - you do not recognize "The Truth" in relation to salvation. That the salvation formulation given by Jesus in Mark/Matt is by works and that one can be saved through good works even of one does not know Jesus.

Those that do know Jesus are supposed to do good works - follow his words in order to receive salvation.

The Church is still divided over this one .. different denominations have different salvation formulations. Almost none of the major denominations follow the teachings of Jesus properly in relation to his salvation formulation - Orthodox comes closest.

On the other side of the fence are the Fundamentalist Evangelicals and Pentecostals. Jesus condemns those - or at least many of them - to the fire.

 

Since the Bible is nothing but Jewish fairy tales aren't they all senseless per Titus 1:14?

 

Well, I think the stories usually have a message... so no... I don't think they are senseless. IMO they are only senseless if you think they are science and history.

 

Let's see.. You claim Moses wrote the pentateuch and you think he lied about the circumcision covenant.

 

Allof the biblical stories are based on the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:11-28. The miracles are based on Exodus 34:10. The message of all of the stories is to teach complete obedience and loyalty to the Boss even if it costs you your life. It's the basic military code of honor and discipline but it's meant to apply to everyone.

BTW, it was the Paul character who supposedly wrote the book of Titus and he also wrote a lot of the Jewish fairy tales. So in effect he said that a person shouldn't believe his lies.

 

They are only senseless to non-believers of Almighty God like yourself. To us faithful Christian followers/believers the Holy Bible makes perfect sense, after all the Holy Bible is the Word of God.

We Read in Scripture

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.---2 Timothy 3:16-17 NLT

 

Conservative Bible scholars believe the Pentateuch were mostly written by Moses, I believe it too.

One of the most important evidences for Moses being the author of the Pentateuch is that Jesus Himself refers this section of the Old Testament as the "Law of Moses"

We Read in Scripture

44 Then he said, "When I was with you before, I told you that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms must be fulfilled." ---Luke 24:44 NLT

I have never thought of Moses lying about anything. Let me shed some light so you'll be able to understand what's going on here.

Circumcision, as a religious rite, was required of all of Abraham's descendants as a sign of the covenant God made with Abraham. The Mosaic Law repeated the requirement. But New Testament Christians are no longer under the Old Testament Law, therefore circumcision is no longer required.

There are passages in the New Testament Scripture that proclaim, being delivered from our sins is the result of faith in Christ. It is Christ's finished work on the cross that saves, and not the observance of an external rite such as circumcision.

Even the Mosacic Law acknowledged that circumcision alone was insufficient to please God, who specified the need to "circumcise your hearts" In salvation, the works of the flesh accomplish nothing.

We Read in Scripture

16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law."---Galatians 2:16 NLT

 

Okay...but WHICH God?

Is the God of St. James the same one of the Old Testament or The Mormons?

Is God Baptist, Methodist or Evangelical?

 

So you think Moses wrote the Pentateuch but lied about circumcision? Are you claiming the Jews who lived before Jesus were wrong or went to hell?

 

Paul warned about false prophets yet we are still crawling with guys like Hagee, Jerry Falwell and all the rest of the Scofield heretics.

 

1. Moses wrote the Pentateuch?...yes
2. Moses lied about circumcision? No, I didn't say that, are you having trouble understanding what I post?
3. Am I claiming the Jews who lived before Jesus were wrong? No, I didn't say that, yes you are having trouble understanding what I post.
4. Am I claiming the Jews who lived before Jesus went to hell? No, I didn't say that. But what I can tell you is that there is a passage in Scripture that tells us that all people who lived before Jesus were pardoned and not sent to hell. If you want me to give you that passage just holla and I will tell you where it is.

 

Are you serious, you mean all this time I've been here you still have to ask?...sheesh!

The Christian God, The Trinity, The Triune God, The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. The only true living God, the Creator of the universe and everything that lives, the One True Eternal God, the only God that lives, there is no other.

 

Ok..... I would like to see that one explained?

 

What do you think of Latter Day Saints assisting Breslovian Chassidic Jews with their goal of getting the remains of Rabbi Nachman taken to Israel?

Rabbi Nachman's teachings about hope for the dead fit nicely with the L.D.S. doctrine of baptisms for the deceased.

L.D.S. Baptism for the dead.... and Rabbi Nachman of Breslov.

 

The question was primarily rhetorical and intended to make you think....it obviously failed to do so.

 

Your supposed Moses wrote nothing. The Pentateuch was written in Babylon - in the 7th century - by various scribes from Judah and what was left of Israel. Those left in the north after the Assyrian invasion were invited to attend Jerusalem and worship in the Temple as their temple at Shiloh had been destroyed. The Judeans worshipped Yahweh and the Israelis (northern Kingdom) worshipped El. Those Israelis who had moved south were also taken captive by the Babylonians. They got together with the priestly group and wrote the Pentateuch. If you study the Pentateuch you can see the different ideas each had, coming through.

Oh. I forgot. You don't study..

 

Sorry but Iike I mentioned earlier conservative Bible scholars believe Moses authored the Pentateuch. The Bible itself shows us who all the authors of all the books were, from the Old Testament to the New Testament...all 66 books and the 1st 5 were authored by Moses.

I don't know what you studied but as far as claiming Moses didn't write/authored the Pentateuch you sir are mistaken.

 

So you think that Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, is the only real God. Why do you believe that? Is it because you read it in a book of Hebrew fairy tales?

Here's a bonus question = When was the adjective "holy" first used on the cover of Bibles?

 

I'm surprised that most people don't know the passage in Scripture where God pardoned people who lived in past times before our Lord Savior Jesus Christ came into the world. Anyway below is the passage from the Book of Romans. God did this because He was being fair and just to those who lived prior to the Messiah our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.---Romans 3:23-26 NLT

 

Hahaha! You so funny!

 

Not one person in history has ever believed in Jesus. So Romans 3:23-26 is just another lie. I can prove that you, Mitt Ryan, don't believe in Jesus. You can prove me wrong if you think you do believe in Jesus. Simply walk outside and command the nearest tree to uproot itself and to jump into the nearest body of water. If it does as you command without any outside help you will be the first person who has ever believed in Jesus. If it stays put then you will have failed Jesus' stated criteria for faith in him. You will then become a proven atheist.

As it says in Scripture =

Luke 17:6 (TLB) = “If your faith were only the size of a mustard seed,” Jesus answered, “it would be large enough to uproot that mulberry tree over there and send it hurtling into the sea! Your command would bring immediate results!"

 

Moses could not have written the Pentateuch. It contains things that Moses could never have known about and things that, if Moses had written it, would show him to be a liar. . I've been through it all with you ages ago.

The Bible does not show all the authors. That's a fallacy. The Book of Isaiah was written over a period of 200+ years. So if Isaiah wrote it he must have been a VERY old man. And if he wrote it, he wrote the prophecies after they had happened, making them history - not prophecy. Many books are written by unknown authors.