Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    No the cows haven't eaten me, I've been eating them lately (lots of beef, potatoes, & salad to stay strong and healthy)...lol Sorry but I can't say I've missed your nonsense...lol
     
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    That's coming from your flawed opinion.
     
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    Yes but even when people are confronted by evidence they will still be in denial of that evidence. That's why it's senseless to be talking about proofs in regards to proving/disproving God. No one can prove/disprove God.

    In the last sentence I did not say it must be a leap of faith to deny based on no proof but what I did say is, we are most certainly entitled to believe in God. By contrast, the atheist who believes there is no God and the agnostic who is not sure if there is a God must take a leap of faith to deny that all the evidence is best explained by the existence of God.

    In otherwords there is evidence for the existence of God but there is no evidence for the non-existence of God but like I explained earlier even when people are confronted by evidence they will still be in denial of that evidence. That's where you and the atheists come in, you folks must take a leap of faith to deny that all the evidence is best explained by the existence of God.

    So no it's not a leap of faith either direction, it's only a leap of faith for the atheists/agnostics since you all deny all the evidence which is best explained by the existence of God.
     
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    The Bible has been rewritten, combined and added to over a period of 500 years.
     
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    One needs sense, to understand sense. So not surprised you can't make sense out of what people post. Another poster said he missed your nonsense.
    You don't post for 6 months, but when you do, all you can do is personal attacks. Just like before.
     
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    Your hypocrisy is so evident here. On one hand you bring up another poster's post which is pretty much ridiculing me which is ok by you since I see you clicked you liked his post but on the other hand when I call out your nonsense it now becomes a personal attack...such hypocrisy!...lol
     
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    It's becaue you're in denial. The evidence of God is everywhere, just open you eyes and you won't be blinded anymore.

    We Read in Scripture:

    19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.---Romans 1:19-20 NLT


    I didn't say it takes a leap of faith to believe in God, I said for the believer only a small step of faith is required. However by contrast, the atheist who believes there is no God and the agnostic who is not sure if there is a God must take a leap of faith to deny that all the evidence is best explained by the existence of God.
     
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    The flawed opinion is yours. You've been shown time and again reality. You refuse to accept it.
     
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    19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.---Romans 1:19-20 NLT

    We are 2000 years on from Paul. Science - even then - was beginning to make Paul outdated. 2000 years since we know far more than they did.
     
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    You really are a laugh. The Tanakh was the only scriptures around at the time of Timothy. The Gospels were not yet written, many of Pauls letters were not yet written, and the writer of Revelation had not yet taken Jewish Scriptures to form his book - just as the Essenes had done previously. Pauls letters were not widely distributed but were simply read by the churches to whom they were addressed. Everything was written by hand. Not printing presses or modern communications.

    History, archaeology, science, and philosophy have shown Scripture to be factual and consistent.

    That's a lie and if you were honest you would admit it. I, and others, have shown you the truth as per archaeology, history etc. It confirms some Biblical events but denies many others. You believe a flood occurred as per the Bible's description? You only have to know the rudiments of hydrology to know that's impossible. You believe that 2.5 - 3 million Hebrews marched for 40 years in a wilderness? That they followed an impossible marching instruction and likewise, an impossible camping instruction? Through the impossible area described in the Bible? They fought the imaginary Amalekites? - who are not to be found anywhere else in history outside the Bible. I've shown you before the story of Abraham and Moses is simply a story - shown by the errors in it.

    You believe men made up all the stories in the Bible.

    No I don't. History and archaeology prove some stories/events true. They also prove that some historical events were grossly exaggerated and others didn't actually happen. .

    The sad thing is that you cannot take the time to study these things. Thus you cling on to your faith - whether it be right or wrong.
     
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    I believe it to be true and so I see it as factual.

    We Read in Scripture:

    5 This is the written account of the descendants of Adam. When God created human beings, he made them to be like himself. 2 He created them male and female, and he blessed them and called them "human."

    3 When Adam was 130 years old, he became the father of a son who was just like him—in his very image. He named his son Seth. 4 After the birth of Seth, Adam lived another 800 years, and he had other sons and daughters. 5 Adam lived 930 years, and then he died. ---Genesis 5:1-5 NLT
     
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    Its simply an error. The counting system was based on 60 instead of ten.

    Men married at 17 or 18 and started families.. Life expectancy was about 35 so for someone to live to be 60 or 70 was very old.

    Sumerian/Babylonian Mathematics - The Story of Mathematics


    Sumerian and Babylonian mathematics was based on a sexegesimal, or base 60, numeric system, which could be counted physically using the twelve knuckles on one hand the five fingers on the other hand.

    http://www.storyofmathematics.com/sumerian.html
     
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    Moses didn't make any errors writing down what God told him to write.
     
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    Moses didn't write the pentateuch... and none of the books name their author.
     
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    I am not blind.

    I see the natural world and universe of which each of us is a part, as magnificent, awe inspiring, provocative, challenging. I also see our species of full of conceit as expressed by our religions and attitudes toward both that natural world and its universe.

    So what you call evidence of god, I call subjective opinion and extreme confirmation bias.




    What a marvelous piece of fallacious logic. I agree that the atheist or the agnostic, must make a leap of faith to accept your evidence of your god's existence.

    Of course as a true believer you already made your leap of faith, but I guess that little item escaped your attention.
     
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    So God told imaginary Moses to write that imaginary Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees. Wow. Someone got it wrong. The Chaldeans don't appear in history until a 1000+ years after the imaginary Abraham died. And 400 years after supposed Moses died. God told imaginary Moses to write that imaginary Abraham bought his and Sarahs tomb from the Hittites. Perhaps some should tell God that the Hittites weren't around in imaginary Abrahams time, or for another 400 years.
     
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    And the same god told another "Mo" to remember and dictate his exact words so "his creations" could get an "update" on his intentions for them an how to appropriately kiss his arse going forward to win their "immortality" ticket.
     
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    I just noticed that you and Margot2 resumed posting within hours of each other. Your views are always interesting.
     
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    We Read in Scripture =

    Titus 1:14 (CEV) = "Don’t pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands. These are made up by people who won’t obey the truth."
     
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    A co-incidence. I've been busy bringing on 2000 bedding plants during the spring, selling them and making up hanging baskets for people. Always a busy time. .
     
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    Believe me.. that is pure coincidence.
     
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    In addition to painting like I am demented I have been growing and giving away Morning Glory plants.. I think the world needs MORE Morning Glories.
     
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    Titus 1:14 King James Version (KJV)
    14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.


    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+1:14&version=KJV
     
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    There is some evidence, though circumstantial at best

    Some experts say that the erosion around the sphinx was only possible due to water. They claim that merely wind and sand couldn't have caused that much erosion.

    They say that last time it rained like that in Egypt was 10-12 thousands years ago, when sphinx was facing itself in the constellation.

    Interestingly enough, this was around the same time that Puma Punku was ravaged by some strong force and torn apart. Wind alone wouldn't be able to move and scatter multi ton stones.

    Plus....

    Earth's 'underground oceans' could have three times more water than the surface

    Who knows if this is all connected. Probably not.
     
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    Let me explain this verse in Scripture because obviously you have no idea what it's about. It's because you don't read the entire passages in full context where these individual verses come from, all you do is take verses out of context and try to make a mockery out of it...so intellectually dishonest!

    This verse in Scripture was part of Paul's epistle (letter) to Titus who was the pastoral leader on the island of Crete. This senseless Jewish stories and human commands is referring to the false beliefs some of the people on the island were spreading.

    One of these false teachings was the belief that circumcision was needed for salvation, this belief is a false doctrine of the Christian faith. The truth is, the way one is saved is through Jesus Christ and not by Jewish myths such as circumcision.

    Now write this down and keep it for your notes for future reference.
     
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