Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Who says we don't have authority to do what Jesus did.. turning over the tables of the money-lenders in a violent rage .. this is assumed premise fallacy .. and I do not grant this assumption .. and I just gave you an example where violence is justified in previous post.

And quit pretending you have a clue about "what Jesus said" when you don't - Jesus gave many examples of the Golden Rule .. both positive and negative ... Let ye who is without sin cast first rock .. log out of own eye .. and so on .. he also stated doing for others what you would want done for you.

Turn other cheek .. can be taken different ways .. but in general .. forgiveness is a sound path for maintaining stable society .. contrary to your previous assertion related to pacifism and society -- a higher level way of thinking than just Lex Talionis. "eye for eye"

 

I just think you don't have the evidence to claim you personally have Jesus' authority. 1,000 years ago you would have been burned at the stake for saying something like that.

Rather that putting words in Jesus's mouth why don't you quote the bible directly?

Matthew 5:38-48 You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Romans 12:17-21 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Romans 13:1-14 13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.

 

I claimed no authority .. you are going on about this authority gibberish .. and it makes no sense.


Rather that putting words in Jesus's mouth why don't you quote the bible directly?

Why on earth would you quote Roman's and Peter in a convo about what Jesus said.. Who cares what a fellow has to say who never met Jesus - knows almost nothing about his life - did not become a follower until years after the mans death. ?

What words did I put in the mouth of Jesus .. If you want to make accusations .. fine .. but back up your claims .. and give me a break here .. surely I need not explain this to you .. as you are not one of the persistent morons whos modus operandi is unsupported accusations .. and various other fallacious nonsense.

I dealth with the above post already .. and commented .. so why are you posting this .. and not responding to my comment ?

Nothing in your entire post addresses anything I said in relation to violence .. other than you makig some unsupported claim about putting words in Jesus mouth .. leaving no idea what you are referring to.

 

One of my examples was Jesus talking directly. Its you who claims we have the authority to do all the things Jesus is able to do. Just because Jesus is able to chase people out of the temple doesn't mean we have that authority. Notice in the story it was just him doing it and he never said we should do the same thing next time this happens.

But wasn't Peter literally visited by Jesus and appointment by God to lead and worked with the surviving apostles who were with Jesus?

 

No it isn't .. didn't claim we have authority to do anything .. convo has nothing to do with authority. Following the example of a leader does not mean one has "Authority"

Was Paul who supposedly had a vision .. similar to those seeing the Virgin Mary in the clouds - but there is no quoting of Jesus .. Peter is Pseudopigrapha .. not written by Paul but claimed to be .. aka Pious Fraud.

Others may give Paul a bunch of weight .. I don't .. fellow doesn't know squat about the life of Jesus .. and contradicts his teachings from time to time.. Go Read Romans 13 if you want some very "Uninspired" man made gibberish.

Sooo .. Adolf was put there by God .. for your own God .. and No rebelling. While Paul may have been smart for writhing this .. I am sure Ceasar was nothing but pleased .. but this is clearly not "inspired"

 

Did you look at yourself in the mirror when you sputtered out those words of yours?...lol

But you did say "God had Jephthah sacrifice his only daughter....." which in either case is wrong because there is no biblical support for either way to say it, which essentially was my whole point. So let me bring up your exact statement below. And we all know that YHWH is another way to refer to God.

I'm sorry giff but there is no where written in Scripture those words sputtered out of your mouth above. I presented the entire passage of the Jephthah story in my previous post and no where do we find support for your statement. It's because as we read Scripture we find that Jephthah was the one who initiated everything when he made a vow to God. Let me bring up Jephthah's vow below.

We Read in Scripture:

Jephthah’s Vow

29 At that time the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and from there he led an army against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord. He said, “If you give me victory over the Ammonites, 31 I will give to the Lord whatever comes out of my house to meet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.” Judges 11:29-31 NLT

Are you still looking at yourself in the mirror after you sputtered those words out of your mouth?...lol

No giff, I interpret Scripture correctly that's why I'm a Christian. If I were to interpret the way you do then I would not be a Christian. I always back up my comments that has biblical truths in them by presenting what's written in Scripture where as you don't because the things you say just can't be backed up in Scripture, I mean how could it when it's not written down in Scripture. So your statement that God had Jephthah sacrifice his daughter is just a misinterpretation...something you do routinely!

You seem to have an aversion to one of my favorite Christian sites...because you always mention them...lol

Is it because you know you can't compete with them...lol They keep in line with what's written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible that's why they are a reputable Christian site. The only deceivers I come in contact with are from people like you...non-Christians...those my boy are the real deceivers! The only people you deceivers deceive are your own selves and you're not even realizing it...so sad indeed!

Btw, I'm still waiting patiently for you to admit you made an error by saying King Solomon built many Temples.

Oh so you're now adding more words to your statement...let see we now have the words "induces" and "Divine Inspiration".

Sorry mate but I just don't see those words written in Scripture relating to the Jephthah's story. It's because you're making them up.

If Jephthah was "Divinely Inspired" to sacrifice his daughter then how come Jephthah reacted the way he did when his daughter was the first one out of his home to greet him as we read in Scripture?

We Read in Scripture:

34 When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter came out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. She was his one and only child; he had no other sons or daughters. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. “Oh, my daughter!” he cried out. “You have completely destroyed me! You’ve brought disaster on me! For I have made a vow to the Lord, and I cannot take it back” Judges 11:34-35 NLT

I'll tell you why it's because God didn't "Divinely Inspire" him to sacrifice his daughter. If God had "Divinely Inspired" him then he wouldn't have reacted the way he did as depicted in verses 34-35 above, he would have known beforehand that he would be sacrificing his own daughter.

So again, it's you making up things that has no biblical support.

Let me give you an example of how I can say something that has biblical truths in them then I back it up with what's written in Scripture.

The authors of the Holy Bible were "Divinely Inspired" by God to write down what they wrote in Scripture. No prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet's own understanding or human initiative, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit and they spoke from God. And so all Scripture is inspired by God.

We Read in Scripture:

20 Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, 21 or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. 2 Peter 1:20-21 NLT

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NLT

See how that works giff?

Nope, sorry it has already been debunked! No biblical support for your statement.

[/QUOTE]So the question you are desperately avoiding - as is the case with most "tough questions" - . does YHWH want all first born Children sactrificed or just some of the time - on special occasions ? [/QUOTE]

Sorry giff, but there is no where written in Scripture where we read that the one and only true God ever wanted all first born children sacrificed, neither did He wanted them sacrificed some of the time on special occasions.

Again there is no biblical support for your statements. That's what happens when you misinterpret Scripture. Something you do routinely giff. If you want to learn how to interpret Scripture properly I advise you to go to my favorite Christian site gotquestions to learn.

Sorry giff but Our Creator Almighty God The Christian God has never ever done anything nasty. Again, it's your misinterpretations, your misconceptions that steer you in the wrong direction. We are told in Scripture that the devil has blinded the minds of unbelievers. I truly believe this. Maybe an exorcism is not out of the question for likes of you my boy!

We Read in Scripture:

4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 5 You see, we don’t go around preaching about ourselves. We preach that Jesus Christ is Lord, and we ourselves are your servants for Jesus’ sake. 2 Corinthians 4:4-5 NLT

Ok giff it was my pleasure to respond to your post, to clear things up. Bottom line is that the statements you make are not biblical truths, they're just your misinterpretations. When you can't use Scripture to back up your comments that's when you know that you are just sputtering out falsehoods. Now I have to move on giff I spent enough time addressing your falsehoods. I'll leave you with a quote from Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 NLT

 

Once again a desperate attempt to deny and decieve.

For as we read in Scripture

29 At that time the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and from there he led an army against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord. He said, “If you give me victory over the Ammonites, 31 I will give to the Lord whatever comes out of my house to meet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

Exactly as stated above .. It is the "Spirit of the Lord" who causes Jephthah to make the vow followed by YHWH who gives Jehpthah victory fulfilling the conditions of the vow ..

Then despite interceding in the affairs of humans by causing Jephthah to make the vow .. interceding again to give Jephthah victory .. YHWH does not intercede on behalf of his daughter .. and she is burned as an offering to YHWH.

Sorry Mitt .. YHWH just has a taste for the Blood of the innocent .. this being one of many many examples in the Bible.

 

Oh what a tangled web we weave .. when one is on the dark path of deception ..

As We Read in Scripture: - Jephthah’s Vow

29 At that time the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and from there he led an army against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord. He said, “If you give me victory over the Ammonites, 31 I will give to the Lord whatever comes out of my house to meet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.” Judges 11:29-31 NLT

Tell you what Mitt - you don't like the term "Divine inspiration" .. what exactly do we call it when the spirit of the Lord intercedes in the affairs of Humans .. such as in the case of poor Jephthah.

Is it the Spirit of the Lord who causes Jephthah to utter the vow.

Who is the deciever trying to claim otherwise .. is it that Got.Questions fundamentalist snake charmer site ?

Tough Question Mitt - and so far you are failing miserably.

 

The Jesus character didn't say anything because he never existed.

As it says in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 (too long to post but verses 1&2 say it all = 4 So then, brothers and sisters, we ask and encourage you in the Lord Jesus to keep living the way you already are and even do better in how you live and please God—just as you learned from us. 2 You know the instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+thessalonians+4&version=CEB

It pays to read that again and again until it sinks in what is being said.

 

Dude .. who the farc are you talking to ... Duh #1 and it doesn't matter - completely irrelevant Duh #2 .. and why don't you understand this #3.

 

The Saul/Paul character created the Jesus character to be the foundation of his resurrection religion. The Jesus character never existed. Paul used him as a mouthpiece to get people to follow Paul's doctrine.

1 Thessalonians 4:1-2 (CEB) = 4 So then, brothers and sisters, we ask and encourage you in the Lord Jesus to keep living the way you already are and even do better in how you live and please God—just as you learned from us. 2 You know the instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

 

Who knows ..many things are possible - Pious Fraud was the rule rather than the exception in the first century AD. Don't think the passage you quote has much weight though .

 

So, the Paul character plainly says that he was the puppet master but you discount his confession.

 

I don't see any confession .. and don't think the hypothesis makes sense. Half the NT is Pauline -- yet Paul tells us nothing about the life of Jesus .. didn't know the man .. didn't become Christian till years after his death.

If Paul invented Jesus .. then it should have been Paul who wrote Mark/Matt .. the books where the life of this messiah is described

 

As I said, Paul created the Jesus character to serve as the foundation for his resurrection religion. As Paul said in 1 Corinthians chapter 15, without the resurrection the religion is worthless. Paul was the first guy to preach and write about the Jesus character and he created the Christian religion and rituals. Later on, other writers added the backstory to put a face on the Jesus character. And, as it says in 1 Thessalonians 4:2 it was Paul's commandments that the Jesus character spoke. The Jesus character was just a fictional character, like Tarzan or Robin Hood.

BTW, is there any objective historical evidence that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Peter actually existed and did the acts attributed to them? Remember how Joseph Smith created his characters for his religion.

 

1) not that I know of - Yes
2) There is no resurrection story in Mark (~65) - no stories of Jesus returning in the Flesh .. No virgin Birth .. and Jesus is a Man . who was adopted by a God ... has to go through a ritual - like every other man - prior to achiveving God/Man duality .. No one in the Early Church thought Jesus was "The Most High"

Mark is the only Author that purports to knows anything about Jesus - and even this is not first hand - "Tradition" holding that Mark was an interpreter/pupil of Peter. So we have nothing directly from any of the people that witnessed the events.

Some author - some 20-40 years later - then takes Mark --uses all of it - sans a few passages derogatory to Jesus and/or disciples (aka pious fraud) - and and adds a few things - such as the virgin birth - Lineage back to Christ -- resurrection stories.

So even if one does think that a historical figure like Jesus existed .. we really only have Mark ... The rest is folks who come along later. If you are an early Christian .. all you have is Mark - if you are from the Jerusalem Church .. Paul is dead around the same time Mark dies..

In Mark there is no physical Resurrection -- Paul does not believe in the Physical Resurrection of Jesus either .. likening "appearances" of Jesus after his death to his vision.. similar to folks who see the virgin mary in the clouds.

So while Paul - and the early Church - believed in a "resurrection" - that the messiah promised life after death -- they did not believe in the physical resurrection stories. .. Cause there weren't any .. On this basis I think your hypothisis has a pretty big hole in it .. - Should have been Paul who tries to increase the divinity of Jesus -- make him fit into the Messianic narrative of the day. if your hypothesis is true .. .. but this is not the case .. Only after Paul's death do we see this .. many years after his death.

The story in Mark is a much different story of Jesus than we have in Matt - Luke - John .. and from Matt to John .. the divinity of Jesus grows bigger and bigger .. along with hatred for the Jews and Judaism - but that is another story.

 

How do you analyze 1 Corinthians chapter 15? = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+15&version=ESV

 

I have already done so in the post you are responding to.

We can see that Paul has no kowledge of any "Physical Resurrection" .. Zombie Jesus as some would say - wandering around in the flesh after death. Paul likens appearances of Jesus to his own vision .. akin to the virgin mary appearing in the clouds. Paul believes in a spiritual Resurrection not a physical one.

So 1) author of Mark does not know of any physical Resurrection .. the "Long ending of Mark" present in modern Bibles - an admitted Pious Fraud - as in "The Bible Admits this in the footnotes

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 16&version=NIV

2) Paul has no knowledge of any physical Resurrection .... and so up to the writing of Matt ~ 80-100 AD - after the fall of the Temple The early Christians know nothing of Jesus wandering around in the flesh after death .. no proverbial "Smoking Gun"

3) Clement 95-100 AD .. first "Pope"/ High Priest of the early Christian Chuch - also believes in a Spiritual Resurrection .. but knows nothing of any physical resurrection.

Thiis leaves us with a problem with only 3 possible solutions A) Matt was not written until after/during the time of Clement - which argues for a dating at the latter end of the scale. B) Clement was aware of Matt - but it did not yet contain the Physical Resurrection stories C) Clement was not aware of Matt.

My guess would be B) that Matt was written at the earlier end of the scale .. but Matt did not yet contain the Physical Resurrection stories - these added at some later date. This argues for a dating for John (100-120 AD) in the mid to latter part of the range.

 

Sorry but your interpretation shall we say is a...what else?....a misinterpretation that comes from a biased perspective, from an unbeliever who naturally/instinctively tries to discredit Our Creator Almighty God but to no avail.

Instead of discrediting, one should be praising Him, He is worthy of all praise because He is the Rock, His deeds are perfect, just everything He does is just and fair, He is indeed a faithful God who does no wrong, how just and upright He truly is!

We Read in Scripture:

4 He is the Rock; his deeds are perfect.
Everything he does is just and fair.
He is a faithful God who does no wrong;
how just and upright he is! Deuteronomy 32:4 NLT

Ok, first I will present the entire Chapter 32 from the Book of Deuteronomy then I will give the correct interpretation of what is really going on here. After I present the right interpretation it will confirm what's written in verse 4 of Chapter 32 in the Book of Deuteronomy that I presented above. So I got nothing to hide...I mean what is there to hide?...absolutely nothing. So I will present the whole Chapter and not just verse 4.

So a person like you jolly should first read the entirety of the Chapter and not just take verses out of context before opening their mouths only to spew out a misinterpretation but who am I kidding, I mean even if you do read the entire Chapter you will still come away with the wrong interpretation...lol That's why I'm here to do a correction, to illustrate how your interpretation is actually a misinterpretation...way off the mark into the land of delusional thinking!

We Read in Scripture:

32 “Listen, O heavens, and I will speak! Hear, O earth, the words that I say! 2 Let my teaching fall on you like rain; let my speech settle like dew. Let my words fall like rain on tender grass, like gentle showers on young plants. 3 I will proclaim the name of the Lord; how glorious is our God!
4 He is the Rock; his deeds are perfect. Everything he does is just and fair. He is a faithful God who does no wrong; how just and upright he is! 5 “But they have acted corruptly toward him; when they act so perversely, are they really his children? They are a deceitful and twisted generation. 6 Is this the way you repay the Lord, you foolish and senseless people?
Isn’t he your Father who created you? Has he not made you and established you? 7 Remember the days of long ago; think about the generations past. Ask your father, and he will inform you. Inquire of your elders, and they will tell you. 8 When the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number in his heavenly court. 9 “For the people of Israel belong to the Lord; Jacob is his special possession. 10 He found them in a desert land, in an empty, howling wasteland. He surrounded them and watched over them; he guarded them as he would guard his own eyes. 11 Like an eagle that rouses her chicks and hovers over her young, so he spread
his wings to take them up and carried them safely on his pinions. 12 The Lord alone guided them; they followed no foreign gods. 13 He let them ride over the highlands and feast on the crops of the fields. He nourished them with honey from the rock and olive oil from the stony ground. 14 He fed them yogurt from the herd and milk from the flock, together with the fat of lambs.
He gave them choice rams from Bashan, and goats, together with the choicest wheat. You drank the finest wine, made from the juice of grapes. 15 “But Israel soon became fat and unruly; the people grew heavy, plump, and stuffed! Then they abandoned the God who had made them; they made light of the Rock of their salvation. 16 They stirred up his jealousy by worshiping foreign gods;
they provoked his fury with detestable deeds. 17 They offered sacrifices to demons, which are not God, to gods they had not known before, to new gods only recently arrived, to gods their ancestors had never feared. 18 You neglected the Rock who had fathered you; you forgot the God who had given you birth. 19 “The Lord saw this and drew back, provoked to anger by his own sons and daughters.
20 He said, ‘I will abandon them; then see what becomes of them. For they are a twisted generation, children without integrity. 21 They have roused my jealousy by worshiping things that are not God; they have provoked my anger with their useless idols. Now I will rouse their jealousy through people who are not even a people; I will provoke their anger through the foolish Gentiles.
22 For my anger blazes forth like fire and burns to the depths of the grave. It devours the earth and all its crops and ignites the foundations of the mountains. 23 I will heap disasters upon them and shoot them down with my arrows. 24 I will weaken them with famine, burning fever, and deadly disease. I will send the fangs of wild beasts and poisonous snakes that glide in the dust.
25 Outside, the sword will bring death, and inside, terror will strike both young men and young women, both infants and the aged. 26 I would have annihilated them, wiping out even the memory of them. 27 But I feared the taunt of Israel’s enemy, who might misunderstand and say, “Our own power has triumphed! The Lord had nothing to do with this!”’
28 “But Israel is a senseless nation; the people are foolish, without understanding. 29 Oh, that they were wise and could understand this! Oh, that they might know their fate! 30 How could one person chase a thousand of them, and two people put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the Lord had given them up?
31 But the rock of our enemies is not like our Rock, as even they recognize. 32 Their vine grows from the vine of Sodom, from the vineyards of Gomorrah. Their grapes are poison, and their clusters are bitter. 33 Their wine is the venom of serpents, the deadly poison of cobras. 34 “The Lord says, ‘Am I not storing up these things, sealing them away in my treasury?
35 I will take revenge; I will pay them back. In due time their feet will slip. Their day of disaster will arrive, and their destiny will overtake them.’36 “Indeed, the Lord will give justice to his people, and he will change his mind about his servants, when he sees their strength is gone and no one is left, slave or free.
37 Then he will ask, ‘Where are their gods, the rocks they fled to for refuge? 38 Where now are those gods, who ate the fat of their sacrifices and drank the wine of their offerings? Let those gods arise and help you! Let them provide you with shelter! 39 Look now; I myself am he! There is no other god but me! I am the one who kills and gives life;
I am the one who wounds and heals; no one can be rescued from my powerful hand! 40 Now I raise my hand to heaven and declare, “As surely as I live, 41 when I sharpen my flashing sword and begin to carry out justice, I will take revenge on my enemies and repay those who reject me.
42 I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword will devour flesh—the blood of the slaughtered and the captives, and the heads of the enemy leaders.”’ 43 “Rejoice with him, you heavens, and let all of God’s angels worship him. Rejoice with his people, you Gentiles, and let all the angels be strengthened in him.
For he will avenge the blood of his children; he will take revenge against his enemies. He will repay those who hate him and cleanse his people’s land.” 44 So Moses came with Joshua son of Nun and recited all the words of this song to the people.
45 When Moses had finished reciting all these words to the people of Israel, 46 he added: “Take to heart all the words of warning I have given you today. Pass them on as a command to your children so they will obey every word of these instructions. 47 These instructions are not empty words—they are your life! By obeying them you will enjoy a long life in the land you will occupy when you cross the Jordan River.”

Moses’ Death Foretold

48 That same day the Lord said to Moses, 49 “Go to Moab, to the mountains east of the river, and climb Mount Nebo, which is across from Jericho. Look out across the land of Canaan, the land I am giving to the people of Israel as their own special possession. 50 Then you will die there on the mountain. You will join your ancestors, just as Aaron, your brother, died on Mount Hor and joined his ancestors. 51 For both of you betrayed me with the Israelites at the waters of Meribah at Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin. You failed to demonstrate my holiness to the people of Israel there. 52 So you will see the land from a distance, but you may not enter the land I am giving to the people of Israel.” Deuteronomy 32:1-52 NLT

This was the 3rd and last song written by Moses in the last days of his life. God instructed Moses to write this song and to teach it to the people (Deut. 31:19, 30).
The Israelites were required by God to learn this Song of Moses for God anticipated their future rebellion in the Promised Land. He knew despite His blessings the Israelites would turn their backs on Him to follow other gods (pagan gods who don't exist), bringing His divine judgment. So the song they learned generations previous would be a witness against them when their rebellion against Him happens. When the many disasters and calamities begin afflicting them, this song will testify against them.

We Read in Scripture:

19 “So write down the words of this song, and teach it to the people of Israel. Help them learn it, so it may serve as a witness for me against them. Deuteronomy 31:19 NLT

21 And when great disasters come down on them, this song will stand as evidence against them, for it will never be forgotten by their descendants. I know the intentions of these people, even now before they have entered the land I swore to give them.” Deuteronomy 31:21 NLT

So what we are seeing here is that the Song of Moses had both a prophetic purpose (predicting the Israelites falling away/rebellion and a didactic purpose (teaching the faithfulness of God and the consequences of sin).

The song begins with a universal call to listen, followed by praise of the just, faithful, and upright God (Deuteronomy 32:1–4). In contrast to God’s faithfulness is Israel’s unfaithfulness (verses 5–6). The song proceeds to recite the history of Israel from their time of bondage in Egypt, through their wilderness wanderings, to their established place in the Promised Land (verses 7–14). The Song of Moses then becomes prophetic: Israel’s future ingratitude and idolatry are predicted, as are the judgments of God for their sin (verses 15–31). Then God promises to avenge Israel against their (and His) enemies, showing compassion on His people (verses 32–42). The song ends on a joyful note, as God’s punishment is past, righteousness is restored, and the land of Israel cleansed (verse 43).

A major theme of the Song of Moses is God’s faithfulness. He is called “the Rock” four times in the song (Deuteronomy 32:15, 18, 30–31). Even as God’s people are chasing whims and trusting feeble gods, God remains their steadfast, unchanging Source of Salvation.

The last words of the Song of Moses are a promise that God will “make atonement for his land and people” (verse 43). This is a significant promise, because the atonement for God’s people is none other than the sacrifice of God’s own Son, Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

We Read in Scripture:

20 and through him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of Christ’s blood on the cross. Colossians 1:20 NLT

So essentially this passage in Scripture was about praising the faithfulness and power of the Lord, decrying the faithlessness and wickedness of Israel, and predicts the consequent divine punishment, it adds, however, that in the end the Lord will relent and will vindicate His people.

And so it was not about what you wrongly interpreted it to be about jolly. It was not about slaughtering the Canaanites and celebrating a genocide by singing this drunk-with-blood song as you stated. And then you mock it further by saying, "This is ISIS level goodness and justice and fairness. Praise God."...what ignoramus nonsense to say the least! Comparing Our Creator Almighty God to be on the same level as today's ISIS Islamic terrorists...wow!...such ignorance indeed!!

But anyhoot in closing, this passage confirms that Almighty God is worthy of all praise because He is the Rock, His deeds are perfect, just everything He does is just and fair, He is indeed a faithful God who does no wrong, how just and upright He truly is! So I am proud to present verse 4 again...and again...and again until it sinks in to an unbeliever such as my friend the jolly character.

We Read in Scripture:

4 He is the Rock; his deeds are perfect.
Everything he does is just and fair.
He is a faithful God who does no wrong;
how just and upright he is! Deuteronomy 32:4 NLT

 

Well -- Strict Sharia is based on OT Law. Islam Reveres the first 5 books .. worships the same God of Abraham.

"Discrediting" ? who is discrediting but you. Jolly was crediting God with the deeds ascribed to him in the OT .. which depicts YHWH as a xenophobic, genocidal, irrational flip flopping God .. with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics.

It is you Mitt who is desperately trying to discredit God .. not give God due credit for his actions. You also try to discredit Jesus .. but that is another story ..

Why do you wish to discredit the Biblical depiction of Lord YHWH ? Does YHWH not command the genocide of entire towns - women - children - babies - fetuses ? - Israelite towns .. killing children for the sins of their relatives .. after making a law stating that Children are not to be killed for the sins of their Parents.

This is like "Loki" the Trickster God .. YHWH does have a taste for the blood of Children -- one of the "Plagues" as punishment to the Egyptians .. but he liked the occasional Israelite Child too now didn't he Mitt..

For as we read in Scripture -- Judges 11

"Then the Spirit of the Lord came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

Again we see Loki - the trickster God at work .. hungry for child sacrifice - causes poor Jephthah to make a vow to sacrifice "Something" .. that something which turns out to be his daughter.

Sneaky Devil .. or rather ... Sneaky YHWH.

Why do you wish to discredit YHWH - not give credit where credit due ?

 

I agree with you that Christianity is complex in the sense that the Christian Holy Bible is not an easy book to comprehend/interpret correctly, especially for non-Christians like yourself giff but even for some Christians, they are also not immune to interpretation impaired issues.

So anyway how come when I correct you by giving you the correct interpretations you have always rejected it? You said, "it is no shame to make a mistake or to not know everything" So by you rejecting the correction it illustrates you are ashamed of your mistakes and to not know everything.

I guess those words you spewed out are for others and not for you...eh?

Like the saying, "Do as I say but not as I do"...which on its face is so hypocritical to say the least.

When I make mistakes I admit to them because I can truthfully tell you like everyone else I/we do not know everything. Below is one such post of mine admitting I've made errors but then I do correct them.

But anyhoot the only one who knows everything, who has 100% of all knowledge is non other than Our Creator Almighty God! He is omniscient so He knows everything.

We Read in Scripture:

20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 1 John 3:20 ESV

 

What interpretation are you referring to .. most of the time you run away from the teachigns of Jesus to those fundamentalist snake charmer websites - desperate to avoid the fact these teachings conflict with fundamentalist dogma.

 

I'm not the one living in denial, it is people like your kind giff who are living in denial. Let's not forget I'm the one who believes in Christianity, in other words I believe in Our Creator Almighty God, The Trinity, The Triune Christian God, The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit! I believe the Christian Holy Bible is the inspired Word of God!

Like I said in my previous post to you, "When I make mistakes I admit to them because I can truthfully tell you like everyone else I/we do not know everything. Below is one such post of mine admitting I've made errors but then I do correct them."

So I have no idea what "error" you are accusing me of that I have not corrected. As far as I know I have up to this point made corrections on errors I have made in the past.
Furthermore you have never heard me speak of Our Creator Almighty God in a very disrespectful negative mocking way such as you have many times in the past. When I speak of Our Creator Almighty God I always praise Him, I honor Him. Below is one such post of many where I am quoted praising Him:

Below is one such post of many where you giff have disrespected Him, mocked Him:

So what is truly shameful is your continual mocking of Our Creator Almighty God. You cannot mock Him forever giff. There will be a day when the mocking stops. But before that day comes if you and others of your kind have any kind of smarts, you will stop living in denial and ask Almighty God to forgive you for your sins and begin to believe in Him, worship/praise Him, love Him with all of your heart and soul. Then you and others will be on your way to salvation.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, John 10:28 NLT

45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give His life as a ransom for many." Mark 10:45 NLT

16 For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 NLT

 

Mitt - you really need to stop projecting your flaws onto others . Obviously the "Evil Guy" is the xenophobic flip flopping genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics.. aka YHWH ..

Absolutely you are in denial. YHWH is depicted exactly as described above in the OT .. Commanding the deaths of children, babies, and fetuses for the sins of their parents.

Should we follow YHWH's command and kill children for the sins of their parents .. or follow Jesus ?

You run from the teachings of Jesus - putting words in the mouth of the Logos - substituting the teachings of your Idol Martin Luther for the teachings of Christ.

There is no "free pass" through Judgement in the teachings of Jesus . .. to the contrary .. as we read in scripture "Only the one who does the will of the Father" will enter the Kingdom .. not the false prophets like those on the Snake Charmer website you adore and follow .. down the dark path of deception.
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Our Creator Almighty God is omniscient, so what this means is that your statement giff, "Thus it is possible for God to have known "Jeremiah" and yet not had all his actions predetermined." is incorrect. If it was correct then that would make Our Creator Almighty God not omniscient but the truth is, He is omniscient as I've already stated.

You might then respond by saying, "then mankind has no free will" but then again you would be wrong if you said that. Let me explain as thoroughly as I can be.

It would appear if God has predetermined all things, then we humans are nothing but passive game pieces moved about by the Divine Hand of Almighty God but no, that would not be the case because the Holy Bible teaches human responsibility, which implies we do have free will.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

7 “What sorrow awaits the world, because it tempts people to sin. Temptations are inevitable, but what sorrow awaits the person who does the tempting. Matthew 18:7 NLT

When Our Lord says that sins "are inevitable," He speaks of predetermination. When He pronounces a sorrow on those through whom sins come, He speaks of personal responsibility.

So in some incomprehensible way, God’s predetermination does not negate our accountability in the choices we make. God is sovereign, yet our choices are real thus we do have free will.