Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Giftedone

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    Another steaming pile ... brought forth from the place of dark bile .. a web of deceit Brother Mitt What is this pleasure you take in desecrating and misrepresenting scripture ..

    The good book says created in the image of the Gods .. some of which are represented in the Bible .. but you won't tell us which of the Gods you worship .. or answer any "Tough Questions" .. in your thread about tough questions .. where you misrepresent scripture .. supplant the teachings of Christ with man made dogma .. and teach others to do the same ..

    Do not hide from the teachings Brother Mitt -- covering up the light will not help you find your way through the darkness .. :crossbones::cynic::chainsaw::censored:
     
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    One cannot say enough good about God.
     
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    Hence the necessity of a Savior. But not because our sins are his fault. But because they are ours and he loves us and doesn't want us to bear the full weight of that which we are incapable of bearing, which would be eternal sorrow and suffering. So his Son was sent from his Fathers throne and glory and took upon himself flesh as Jesus Christ. Like Isaiah prophesied 800 years prior, "The chastisement of our peace was upon him." In so doing he took upon himself the sins of all mankind, never wavering from the Fathers will. In dying, he then took his life up again and fulfilled the requirements to overcome sin, death, hell and the world. It is Gods offering to us and for us. And the choice is ours to accept or reject it. In truth, it is we who have gone away from him, and not he away from us. Again from Isaiah, "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." Life and eternal life are his gifts to us. In my opinion, in some part, it is all to humble us. Inherent in our lives and the liberty of choice, is the possibility to fail. Such that we might be made better by his intercession. When I look at myself and mankind around, I say surely we are fallen as to perfection.
     
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    God or Gods, they are one and we are made in his image. See how easy that was. I don't know where you rooted up this vain notion that it is clever to be offensive. If you have a problem with scripture, take it up with God.
     
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    Again, completely his own design, if he is all powerful and created us. If he is and did, then the only possible reason we "sin" is because he intends it. And then the only reason Jesus needs to die for our sins as the only way to whipe them clean, is because he decides to require it. There can be no more to it, if he is all powerful.

    It would be different if God and Jesus aren't one and if God's power is somehow restricted. Then you could say Jesus' sacrifice was actually necessary and meaningful.
     
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    odd, I htought JC only showed us the 'path' to salvation because there was none before he came on the scene.

    neoatheists seem to have a HUGE problem with the idea that there are 2 sides to the coin, both good and evil.

    Personally I cant recognize that necessarily as a flaw or system design problem, I guess neoatheists think God should have created us to be God.
     
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    Perhaps not .. but its the bad parts you saying that are troublesome .. dem bad things you put in the God Box you made .. So it is written .. so it shall be done .. and when the dust settles .. there can be only one !?
     
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    They are not one according to scripture nor the beliefs of the folks who wrote the text .. so it seems it is you who has the problem .. of which you can take up with God .. as I not be the one blaspheming holy scripture.. blaspheming God ..as you are so often won't to do.

    Still waiting for your answer to your "who can be reborn" silliness you were flouting around .. how about what it takes to earn salvation .. afraid to answer that one as well .. cause again we find you running from scripture that you have a problem with then running around trying to tar others with your failure.. I will not be buying that heretical blather you be selling ... no Sir .. so keep that blasphemous tar away ..
     
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    No Alpha, it is not a fact, but rather it's your opinion, your assumption,...etc. that you believe to be true but it is subjective. Weren't you the one just recently telling us there is a big difference between a truth and a fact? Yes, it was you, below is your quote:

    The Bible doesn't very often as you put it depict women as the one's one way or the other being blamed for all sorts of issues but yes indeed Eve was the one that was influenced by the devil through the serpent to eat the forbidden fruit and then she convinced Adam to eat the forbidden fruit as well. And yes, they were both thrown out of the Garden, Earth's Paradise. God had warned Adam beforehand about the consequences of eating the forbidden fruit but He and Eve disobeyed Him and instead listened to the father of all lies & deception...the devil himself.

    We Read in Scripture:

    15 The Lord God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to tend and watch over it. 16 But the Lord God warned him, “You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden— 17 except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.” Genesis 2:15-17 NLT

    This was the starting point of sin entering into the world, and ever since that time, we all have lived in a sinful fallen world, all as a result of mankind's continuing disobedience. And so we are all destined to die as were our first parents who eventually died, but not right after eating the forbidden fruit. Adam, himself lived over 900 years, 930 years to be exact before he eventually died.

    If only Eve & Adam obeyed God instead of being influenced by the devil how different everything would have been but they failed and the result is what has plagued mankind ever since....sins...lots and lots of it. Why there are even some people today in the USA of all places, who can't safely walk outside their homes without getting mugged, robbed, harassed, raped, and even murdered in some cases.

    But there will be a day when the Lord will impose His judgement on unrepentant, unbelieving sinners, they will be punished and be separated from Him forever. But the good news is that the sinners, who have repented, who have asked for forgiveness, who have faith, trust, love for the Lord, they will be saved and spend eternity with the Lord in His Heavenly Kingdom. So even though our first parents were thrown out of Earth's Paradise, there will be a day when some of us will enter Heaven's Paradise where we will live with the Lord for all eternity, happily ever after. It will be a place where the Lord will wipe every tear from our eyes, there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Revelation 21:4 NLT

    5 And there will be no night there—no need for lamps or sun—for the Lord God will shine on them. And they will reign forever and ever. Revelation 22:5 NLT

    Jesus, the Way to the Father

    14 “Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me. 2 There is more than enough room in my Father’s home. [a] If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? 3 When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” John 14:1-4 NLT

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    “For this is how God loved the world: He gave [a] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 NLT

    Well ok Alpha, thanks for your post.
     
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    It's obvious you believe the story to be made up, well I believe the opposite. Moses didn't choose to say Adam was created first and then Eve was created from Adam's rib but that He wrote down what God revealed to him on how the first two humans were created. It's not hard to believe this story but what's really hard is believing an atheist version of the evolution of the human race. We were just a bunch of goo, in a muddy pond, and miraculously somehow this goo through a long process of evolution eventually became human beings.

    It takes a giant leap of faith to believe an atheist version of the creation of human beings. So essentially according to atheists we are an accidental by-product of nature, a result of matter (goo in a muddy pond) plus time plus chance...wow! too much to digest and so I honestly cannot accept this explanation.

    But I can readily accept the explanation that God through Moses revealed to us in His Best-Selling Book of All-Time, the Holy Bible and it really doesn't take a giant leap of faith but just a small step of faith to believe it.

    We Read in Scripture:

    18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper who is just right for him.” 19 So the Lord God formed from the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the sky. He brought them to the man[a] to see what he would call them, and the man chose a name for each one. 20 He gave names to all the livestock, all the birds of the sky, and all the wild animals. But still there was no helper just right for him.

    21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep. While the man slept, the Lord God took out one of the man’s ribs[a] and closed up the opening. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib, and he brought her to the man.

    23 “At last!” the man exclaimed.
    “This one is bone from my bone,
    and flesh from my flesh!
    She will be called ‘woman,’
    because she was taken from ‘man.’”

    24 This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.

    25 Now the man and his wife were both naked, but they felt no shame. Genesis 2:18-25 NLT

    Ok Alpha thanks for your post.
     
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    A steaming pile of illogical raging nonsense .. yet again. What is a "Neo-Atheist" -- accompanied with your made up definition -- in some fallacious effort to label and demonoze "The Other" .as thinking "God should have created us to be God"

    So .. by your definition .. a "Neo Atheist" believes in God ?? ?! .. This is a monstrously idiotic definition .. purposefully so .. to what effect ? What is your game Mr. Lame ?
     
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    Another steaming pile ... brought forth from the place of dark bile .. a web of deceit Brother Mitt What is this pleasure you take in desecrating and misrepresenting scripture ..

    The good book says created in the image of the Gods .. some of which are represented in the Bible .. but you won't tell us which of the Gods you worship .. or answer any "Tough Questions" .. in your thread about tough questions .. where you misrepresent scripture .. supplant the teachings of Christ with man made dogma .. and teach others to do the same ..

    Do not hide from the teachings Brother Mitt -- covering up the light will not help you find your way through the darkness .. :crossbones::cynic::chainsaw::censored:
     
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    “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
     
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    Why are you posting as if you are the one being reviled and persecuted for the sake of Jesus - when it is you who demonizing others for professing the teachings of Jesus ? That is quite the trick of deceit .. posing as the one being persecuted .. just what one would expect from one of Mitt's flock .. trying to supplant the teachings of Jesus with thier own made up dogma.. usurping the position of the Logos ..

    "The Devil Taketh him up a high mountain"
    - That's the only part you got right mate.. indeed those exaulting themselves above "God's Word" have been taken up high by the Devil. Such exaultation this expression of Pontifex Maximus - the abomination of Desolation.. Supplanting God's word with that of the High Priest of Zeus .. stopping the holy sacrifice .. and substituting Pigs ..

    The wrath bestowed on those who commit the Unforgivable Sin will be the reward.. hiding in the corner nor under a chair will nor escape the wrath :oldman: . :hiding: :deadhorse::chainsaw::censored:

    Let it not be that you are the one Brother Todd . down the dark path to trod .. supplanting the Logos with the Dark one . So it is Written .. So it shall be Done !
     
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    Ya can't prove that God does not exist silly... nor that the moon round planet in next galaxy is not made of green cheese .. so why you asking for proof of something that doesn't exist ..

    Jesus could have been a magician who learned his tricks in Egypt for all we know .. can we prove Jesus was not ? ... of course we can't .. another venture in silliness.

    The question is what evidence there is . to support the various hypothesis .. nary even an idiot believes in defacto proof.
     
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    Actually what I'm claiming is that your interpretation of Scripture is impaired because you say things that are unbiblical coming from a non-Christian's perspective which shouldn't be surprising.

    Why do you ask such a question when you should already know the answer. But if you don't know the answer by now that can only mean you've not paid any attention all this time (ten years since I generated my first thread) and haven't learned anything regarding the Christian faith, it could be due to your comprehension issues.

    Please write the following down in your notebook:

    The Christian faith is a monotheistic faith, meaning we believe in only one God, for there is no other but this one true God that exists alone. The Christian God, The Triune God, The Trinity consisting of The Father, Son (Jesus Christ), Holy Spirit.

    Let me explain the Trinity briefly, God is not three entities, nor three beings. God is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence. God is numerically one. Yet, within the single divine essence are three individual subsistence that we call persons.

    And I know I gave you all the names that God can be called in a previous post of mine. Matter of fact you can refer to post #943, pg. 38 of this thread Part 39 to see all these names.

    Lastly, all these names you've mentioned are pagan false gods, in other words they do not exist, least not in the Christian faith because the Bible makes it perfectly clear, there is only one God.

    We Read in Scripture:

    9 Remember the things I have done in the past. For I alone am God! I am God, and there is none like me. 10 Only I can tell you the future before it even happens. Everything I plan will come to pass, for I do whatever I wish. Isaiah 46:9-10 NLT

    35 “He showed you these things so you would know that the Lord is God and there is no other. Deuteronomy 4:35 NLT

    4 “Listen, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.[a] Deuteronomy 6:4 NLT

    A Call to Faithfulness

    10 Are we not all children of the same Father? Are we not all created by the same God? Then why do we betray each other, violating the covenant of our ancestors? Malachi 2:10 NLT

    6 But for us,
    There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.
    And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    through whom all things were created,
    and through whom we live. 1 Corinthians 8:6 NLT

    6 one God and Father of all,
    who is over all, in all, and living through all. Ephesians 4:6 NLT

    5 For,
    There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity—the man Christ Jesus. 1Timothy 2:5 NLT

    19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.[a] Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. James 2:19 NLT

    The Bible also makes it perfectly clear that these pagan gods were worthless mere idols and not gods at all.

    We Read in Scripture:

    9 How foolish are those who manufacture idols. These prized objects are really worthless. The people who worship idols don’t know this, so they are all put to shame. 10 Who but a fool would make his own god—an idol that cannot help him one bit? Isaiah 44:9-10 NLT

    5 The gods of other nations are mere idols,
    but the Lord made the heavens! Psalm 96:5 NLT

    18 And they have thrown the gods of these nations into the fire and burned them. But of course the Assyrians could destroy them! They were not gods at all—only idols of wood and stone shaped by human hands. 2 Kings 19:18 NLT

    Ok Gift thanks for your post. I hope you recorded everything I've said here in your notebook.
     
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    What unbiblical thing have I said ? .. You accuse ..but fail to provide support for your claim .. just vile deciet.

    You were asked a simple question .. the name of the God in the Bible you worship.. you were given a list of possible choices .. Gods mentioned in the Bible .. instead you ramble on about the Trinity .. man made dogma .. unbiblical man made dogma many would say

    You say God is one . but don't seem to know which of the Gods in the Bible is the one you worship ? .. Trinity is not this God's name .. there is no God named Trinity in the OT - Bible (possibilities for the God of Abraham) .. or Jesus for that Matter.

    Who is the Unbiblical one here Brother Mitt .. trying to tar others with their filth .. What is the name of this God you worship ? .. Is it "Satan" perhaps ?

    Todds been rather quiet your flock unable to shine .. seems he is on a break .. went up the mountion with the Master .. on a quest for the Tablets no doubt .. maybe gonna find the burning bush ..

    Todd don't now the name of your God either Mitt -- why won't you tell us which God we should be worshiping ? Which laws should we follow .. how to be put right in the Eyes of this God .. Is it the Child Sacrifice Mitt ? is that what you so embarrassed about .. think that is the only way to set things right .. cause the Bible told you so. ?

     
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    I answered your question as thoroughly as I could be but because you suffer from comprehension impaired issues you missed it. And not only do you have comprehension impaired issues but you also suffer from memory impaired issues because a while back I answered a post of yours giving you all the names that the Christian God is called and my previous post to you I stated it as such as quoted below:

    How many times does one has to tell you by providing Scripture that these pagan gods you've mentioned are false gods, meaning they don't exist? They are really worthless mere idols.

    Might as well give you Scripture again since it's not sinking in into that comprehension impaired, memory impaired brains of yours.

    We Read in Scripture:

    9 How foolish are those who manufacture idols. These prized objects are really worthless. The people who worship idols don’t know this, so they are all put to shame. 10 Who but a fool would make his own god—an idol that cannot help him one bit? Isaiah 44:9-10 NLT

    5 The gods of other nations are mere idols,
    but the Lord made the heavens! Psalm 96:5 NLT

    18 And they have thrown the gods of these nations into the fire and burned them. But of course the Assyrians could destroy them! They were not gods at all—only idols of wood and stone shaped by human hands. 2 Kings 19:18 NLT

    That is what the Christian God is....the Trinity, The Father, The Son (Jesus Christ), The Holy Spirit. The Trinity is based on correct interpretation of the Scriptures of the Holy Bible and so it is not unbiblical man made dogma as you seem to think. Correctly interpreting Scripture is something you're not capable of doing, that's why you're a non-Christian.

    Ok Gift thanks for your post, and please work on your comprehension as well as memory impaired issues to improve them...you can start by writing down everything I've said to you in your notebook.
     
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    I responded to your answer "The Trinity" is not the name of a God in the OT. You cry out the falsehood that what I have said is "unbiblical" - as adherents to the deceiver are wont to do ..trying to tar others with their own guilt .. but it is YOU who responded with something unbiblical. "The Trinity" is not the Name for of any of the Gods in the Bible .. pagan or otherwise.

    You were asked the name of the God in the Bible that You Worship .. Pagan or otherwise.

    Instead of name calling .. and providing scripture about false Gods ... which is not the question.. Provide some scripture giving the Name of the God that you Worship in the Bible.. .. why is this so difficult a task .. that you have to go around making up falsehoods about others .. and telling falsehoods about the Bible.

    Which of the Gods mentioned by name in the Bible do you worship .. quit lying by claiming you have answered this question .. when you have not .. if you had .. we would have moved on to what this God wants us to do to gain salvation .. but you havn't .. because you are hiding behind a web of deceit .. like Brother Todd .. also unable to come up with the name.. for shame .. for shame .. like Peter's denial of Jesus ... cept for you two it is more than 3 times.



    Did the Devil tell you the name of your God while you were up on that mountain Brother Todd .. did you see the Burning Bush ...

    Know you naught the name of your God ? How long you going to keep hiding under the chair :hiding::hiding:
     
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    “Do not cast your pearls before swine” is a portion of the Sermon on the Mount, and, to understand its meaning, we have to understand its context and placement within the sermon. Christ had just finished instructing the crowd on judgment and reproof: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you” (Matthew 7:1–2), and “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7:5). Then in verse 6, Christ tempers these admonitions and shows us the difference between “judgment” and “discernment.” We are not to be hypocritical judges, yet we must be able to discern the swine, lest we cast our pearls before them.
     
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    What are you blathering about .. and why are you calling me "Swine" Brother Todd ?

    and what pearls are these ? You have proffered no Pearls .. hiding under a chair and refusing to say the name of the OT God that you worship - running and hiding from scripture - is not "Pearls" Brother Todd.

    Why are you so afraid to say which God of the OT you worship - if it is not the Evil one .. why are you hiding .. and why should I or anyone else believe in this God who you hide from ?
     
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    So does that mean we can declare women to be tougher physically than men? Well, probably not… basic physiological strength advantages will likely always mean that men will outperform women when it comes to physical activity and ability.

    That's the true reality alpha and not your reality that comes from an alternate universe...which is an upside down universe...lol

    Why do you suppose women are not drafted to play in the NFL?...let me answer bcause your answer will only come from the perspective in an alternate upside down universe...lol

    The answer is because women are in fact not physiologically stronger than men.

    Ok thanks for your post alpha and try to be more realistically intellectually honest for a change for goodness sake. You are like them radical dems who say stuff like men can get pregnant...wow! such lunacy!
     
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    Women have other strengths that absolutely do apply to physical tasks.

    But, it's RIDICULOUS to search for differences like this.

    What the average woman or man can do is WORTHLESS information, because it refers to averages that clearly overlap.

    It's absolutely necessary to view the rights and capabilities of individuals.
     
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    The reasons for women not playing sports against men are not so clear as that.

    The lines as drawn are almost always based on sex, not on capability.
     

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