Parties in Crisis - What's Next?

I don't know if it is just me, but, I feel like both major parties are in crisis and a new wave of voters are about to abandon both for a new way. Things have been going wrong for a long time and voter apathy for Republicans and Democrats is at an all time high. Trump rode into the Presidency as a Republican but he does not fit the mold of a Republican. Independent Bernie Sanders rode through the primaries as a Democrat but he also does not fit the mold of a Democrat.

Nothing get's done in a bi-partisan manner anymore. Trump and Obama have been ruling like Kings, using executive orders, to advance agendas. What's the outlook?

Do we have a break off in the Republican party between the establishment types, tea party types or a new Trumpster party?

Do we have a break in the Democrat party between the Pelosi-Schumer establishment wing and the Warren - Cummings wing and will Bernie Sanders run under the socialist banner.

Is there an opening for the Libertarians or the Green parties?

I'm disgusted with the whole bunch of them and would more likely go with the Trumpster.
How do most of you feel? I truly feel I can get a better feeling from the members on this forum than from the professional news agencies.

 

According to Gallup the strength of the two parties was 35% Democratic, 30% Republican in November of 2012. Today, Gallup has those figures at 30% Democratic, 27% Republican. But both parties have been shrinking for a long time. As one moves further right and the other left, they are leaving more and more Americans without a political home. Only the two party system prevents a viable third party from rising. Remember it is the Republicans and Democrats who write the election laws and they do so as a mutual protection act. It is the two major parties who are funded by corporations, wall street firms, lobbyists, special interests, mega, huge money donors etc. Money those folks won't give to third parties. Why should they? They get rewarded for their investments in the two major parties. As Trump himself once stated when asked why he donated to both parties, his answer, "I give to them, they give back." Keep in mind, if those moneyed folks didn't get a good return on their investments, they wouldn't make them. They are good businessmen and wouldn't waste money on the two major parties if they didn't get back more than they invest, ah, donate.

 

Both parties need a major retooling if they are going to remain effective. Younger voters are sick and tired with the old status quo they they represent. Many younger voters thought that it would change with Trump only to find out that he was like the rest of the politicians, corrupt, incompetent and in this case a serial liar.

Change needs to start at the top; it's really the only way to gain back the confidence of the American people.

 

No opening for a 3rd Party.

The 2-party system is here to stay.

Period.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of what you say is true. I do see hope, as Trump showed us, that there are ways to circumvent the big money. Bernie Sanders also showed how a campaign can be funded with small donations. If the message strikes a positive chord with the voter they will follow.

 

Even if neither party has a message? Even if neither party is for the voter? When 70 to 75% of the people are against your platform?

 

Dude the problem with the republican Establishment is that are only conservative where deficits and defense spending are concerned That's why we can't get a decent health care bill passed.

 

I thought the Democrats passed the best health care bill in history back in 2010 ?

Did someone lie ?

 

Yes, Trump did when he claimed on the campaign trail that he'd have ACA repealed within the first week of his Presidency; so far ACA remains in full force. Just another Trump lie to the American people.

 

From the polling it seems like there's much more of an entry for a military junta than anything.

 

At the time Trump was unaware that the Democrats still wanted to own Obamacare.

In my life time and I've never seen so much obstructionism coming from Democrats as we have been seeing not just in the past 100 days but starting back on November 9th 2016.

Kinda embarrassing for the country.

 

Perhaps. But both Trump and Sanders got plenty of air time. A lot of air time. Even other candidates of both major parties got a bit of air time in some of the debates during the primaries. But Johnson, Stein, Castle and the rest, none. No money, no air time because they weren't a member of the two major parties in our two party system. Who knew what each of those three and other stood for? Without media, you're dead. It doesn't matter what chord one can strike, if one doesn't get that chord heard.

Perot was an exception, but he had money and he bought his own air time to get known. He also was included in the presidential debates in 1992. But the League of Women voters ran the debates than. To ensure no other third party candidate ever gets into the presidential debates again, the debates were yanked from the league where the so called bi-partisan debate commission decides who is in and who is out. Even the name, bi-partisan lets one know exactly how many will be in the debates.

 

I am disgusted with the people of this country and want to see it dismantled.

When people can say "I'm more likely to go with the Trumpster", and can say that as if it is something normal, and not be recognized as the abomination to decency and humanity that it is, we have hit an all time low. This country is too dangerous to exist.

 

Obstructionism? Give me a break; the republicans control both houses along with the executive branch; there's nothing they cannot do if they put there mind to it. That's just an excuse for Trump and his crew of clowns to use.

 

Well, I guess, if the other parties ran some decent people with a vision they would have more attraction.

 

Abandon both -- not really.

Just flip flop back and forth as in the past.

WJ Clinton was the demon seed that spawned after Reagan-Bush.

Some DEM will come along after DJ Trump too.

 

Obamacare is a good bridge for age 62 to 66.

And many of the poor people rely on it too, not just the early elderly.

 

Actually Nancy and Chuck have not had to do anything.

The obstruction is coming from the far right at the moment.

But Nancy and Chuck are always looming in the background. They already killed The Great Wall Of Mexico.

 

Did someone lie? They most certainly did. Ryan, and the Republicans, told him they had the votes to repeal health care. Seeing that Reince Priebus is a close friend of Ryan, I would think, he also is working against Trump. Trump is an optimist, but, he is dealing with some traitorous dogs. The Democrats in Congress, don't care anything about America, only power.

 

It's a good bridge until you have to use it. I do not see where high premiums, mediocre benefits and very high deductibles is a good foundation. Beware of crossing that bridge.

 

Of course some one lied. And so is the R. establishment. All they really want to do is trim around the edges a bit. The only people who are producing things that might actually make health care better are the Freedom caucus.

 

I think people like Ryan and his RINO friends, and of course all Democrats, hate that word FREEDOM.

 

Of course Freedom means they lose control. Never mind that they idea that relative handful of bureaucrats and politicians can truly understand let alone control effectively something as large and complex as a modern western economy is an illusion.

 

The same could be said for the republicans when Obama was President and McConnell said the goal was to make him a one term president and they stonewalled almost every piece of legislation put before them. Why? because it was all about power, like the democrats, they don't care anything about America, only power.

 

And that has been the policy of opposition parties in America for the last 200 and something years. Obama was the first time in American Presidential history that the President's party seemed to operate under the peculiar illusion that the opposition was supposed to go along with everything they did.