Patriotism in Europe

Are you a patriot?
If you are, what are you a patriot of?

There should be no wrong answers in here, but if anyone starts being anti Semitic or anti Islamic, well - that's a wrong answer.


I am, I'm British, I like the Union Jack representing the United Kingdom of GB & NI..
I'm from London, that's in England, my passport says London next to my place of birth because it's a British Passport and not an American one that, if I held one, would say something like United Kingdom next to my place of birth, if I had one, so having London on my passport is cool, makes me feel like James Bond in my first passport since I went to the photo booth to get it taken after school when I was 14 and I had to take off my school blazer and tie and so my passport said place of birth: London and there's me with a white shirt on and neat hair.

 

Yes, I am an American patriot from the USA. I love my country and want it back from the socialist, globalist, Obama regime. Trump is pro USA and loves his country. From now on, it's America first, like it should always should have been. I an for the Brits, Aussies, and maybe the Canadians a little. The rest of the world doesn't matter that much.

 

This is why patriotism is viewed so negatively.

 

I love my country like my family. I don't pretend because I love it that the other countries don't matter, but in my heart, my country matters a lot because it's mine. You don't choose your family, you don't choose your country, both aren't perfect. Their is no perfect family, but it's our family/country and it's the reason we love it despite it's flaws and we're plenty able to appreciate their qualities.

 

That's all well and good, except you forgot to mention one important thing which probably speaks volumes to the attitudes of patriotism of countries in the EU.

Some people are starting to feel patriotic to a trade union weighed heavily on German stability.

 

That's surely different for the british, but the huge differences their is between the different european culture seems smaller compared to the big gap between USA and european culture.

When you see arabic, chinese, indian and paradoxally even our "cousins" the american, we get aware of what we have in common rather different.

 

British culture should be more like American than Russian, naturally.

 

However, in Germany, perhaps Putin should take over Berlin and make it all like East Germany again.

 

That's one difference between UK and Europe, UK's not afraid to say British first, European second.

 

Patriotism got Europeans into a lot of trouble with WW1.

That war was totally about patriotism alone.

It may be better for Europeans NOT to be patriotic.

The world needs peaceful European consumers not belligerent ones.

 

The Brit's have been victorious in all their wars except against the Irish.

So they have a reason to be so justified.

The rest of Europe has been a cesspool of war since the days of Napoleon and even before.

 

If I meet two complete strangers and one is British and one is not and I know nothing else about those two people.
I will side with the Brit first. He has my loyalty by default.

And that loyalty may override many other priorities for me. He may be a bad person. But he is still mine.
And the chances are I will stand with a football hooligan under my own flag sooner than see him go down. Even when his actions deserve it.

If anyone gets to deal with him, it's me. I am his peer and I will be that on that jury. I like my country. Warts and all.

 

Patriotism is vigorous support for ones country. Obama's main ideology was anti-American as far as patriotism is concerned. His basic worldview revolved around America as the biggest problem in the world. His apology tour cemented that as fact. Other countries loved it but not all true patriotic Americans did.

 

'Make mine American.'
for our patriotic American guests, but also;
'Make Great Britain great again'
I wouldn't have thought of these, if it wasn't for @Hoosier8 's avatar..

 

I like girls...
I like women, my hometown (London, it's a world city and my hometown).. and I like going on holiday/vacation travelling around, so far I've been to America twice and Amsterdam, twice, and... Every one of those times, I've been a Brit' abroad... 'Fresh off the boat' each time. But I've learned a lot and still have a lot to learn; how ever, coming from where I do, Croydon/London); I've grew up in what I liken to Star Trek; my school was everyone sounding like me from all parts of the globe; In my click, I was friends with a camp Somalian refugee who told me stories of being chased by lions growing up walking to school there, a street smart kid from Thailand who struck out with the ladies, a UK Jamaican who's stepfather was Jamaican Chinese and so had a Chinese name, turns out his real father was white.. and a Sri Lankan, oh and Turkey, and other parts of East Africa and whatever, in my own little click, then puberty hit and I cared more about the ladies I went to school with.
Well, my Britain reminds me of Star Trek when I think back to my school days in the late 1990s/Early 21st Century.

Then when I ventured around, I was reminded of all my favourite music in Soho and everything.

So it's like Star Trek meets Jimi Hendrix in Soho and also Slash for good measure.



I've always been pro American though, even before my own family had any ties with America.
I sat in the kitchen with my now American sister (I'm the youngest) and she just got her UK passport and I was reading this competition on this box of crackers to see Mount Rushmore and me and my sister were talking about it and she said you need a passport to enter/I've got a passport, so I asked her 'why don't you enter?' and she said; I have no desire to go to America...
Last year, 2016, her and her family drove from NJ to San Diego to see the country and stopped of at Mount Rushmore and she became American 1 year before my American brother did in PA and before any of that, when all 5 kids and my 2 parents lived in a small house in South London, I was Pro American..

Sometimes I wonder if I was an American born in England, since America feels like home to me (even though I was born and raised and was educated and work in London), I feel native to America. Just a weird feeling I can't explain and perhaps a memory of another life maybe.
But whatever, I'm a Brit, and everyday to me feels like a cool 'holiday.'
I even take pictures like a tourist (you should see my instagram).

 

What about people who say Scotland first, UK second? One of the oddities of patriotism is that people can live in exactly the same places yet express patriotism towards very different structures or concepts.

 

Yes but for non english speaker, it's slighty different. American don't have the same relationship with past than european for obvious reasons.

From a european point of view, USA citizens seems regulary slighty excessive, and so we fill clother to our european brothers which seems more moderate.

 

This European finds Americans more normal than continentals.

 

Feeling patriotic to a trade agreement wishing you were the United States of Europe is bit like coveting what USA's got.

 

Then you have to start pointing the finger at Germany because of Adolf Hitler's vision for Europe being this.

Germanphobia is what the EU elitists scream when ever somebody says the EU is a Nazi plan.
How can we trust the EU?
How can we respect the EU?
When Germany are on the take.

 

They're sorry, sorry they lost the war.

You can call Germany today having 'fake peace'

 

It's not the problem of specifically the german. If we the french wanted to impose the french agenda to Europe, it would be as much problematic.

The EU is a little bit more than a trade union, at the origin, it was a project of peace, who was beyond economics, it was cultural, scientific and potentially military.

The aim was to find a third way to be neither on sovietic or american sphere of influence.

 

An aim I hope they all die before achieving.

In Russians and Americans we trust. The EU? Not so much.

 

I don't know if you are british or american, but most european don't feel neither russian or american.

America is not our culture, Russia is not our conception of a governement.