PBS Frontline: Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member

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    Interesting little Documentary from PBS. Hmmm ...

     
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    I watched almost fifteen minutes worth until Frontline talked about what a good marksman Lee Oswald was in the Marines and Gerald Posner (the POS in Posner stands for you know what) came on to reinforce that fallacious point.

    Color me skeptical, though there may be better stuff otherwise later on...but I doubt it!
     
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    It is a proven fact not fallacious.
     
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    A common comment of Marines that served with Oswald was what a terrible shot he was. That he barely survived washing out of the corps because of low shooting scores hardly attests to skill with a rifle and of course only a superior marksman could do what the Warren Commission alleges he did from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
     
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    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    I watched it on tv and it was enlightening.

    It showed that Oswald could have gotten a lot of unwanted attention which explains the Mob connection to the assassination.
     
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    I remember in elementary school that besides doing our duck and cover drills we also had to learn how to spell assassination too. It was a hard word. Still is.

    Comes from the Sassanids in Persia. They had a rather unique way of getting their way.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No that was not a common comment and in fact his military record proves you wrong.

    He actually scored sharpshooter in basic training which means he came no where close to being washed out for bad marksmanship.

    Any average shooter could so what the Warren Commission proved he did from the sixth floor. It was an easy shot.
     
  8. Lesh

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    Yea, We've been through this. Oswald's scores were horrible. He was a horrible shot
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    You were debunked and defeated on that claim.

    He was a good shot and your contrary claim is a proven lie and you know it.
     
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    100% false.

    Oswald would have had to make 2 out of 3 shots at a slow moving target taking no evasive maneuvers. Any US Marine could do that.



    Numerous recreations show marksmen on a par with LHO recreating his actions.
     
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    Frontline is the gold standard. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Two hours is a lot to devote to Oswald but I will give it some attention this week.
     
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    Here is someone who knows a bit more about Oswald and his shooting skills than you do but then who doesn't? No one, it looks like!
    http://articles.latimes.com/1993-11-21/local/me-59498_1_oswald-s-marksmanship
    Even so, this man is particularly in a position to comment on Lee Oswald
    and his time in the Marines and skills as a shooter.

    If hitting two out of three moving targets with Oswald's crappy rifle, and misaligned sight, were as simple as you lamely allege then we would see all sorts of people accomplishing the feat. Even in your cherry picked reenactments many, many more fail than succeed and the few that do manage to get a couple of hits in the time allotment never ever have to cope with ALL the conditions, obstacles and drawbacks facing Oswald firing away, allegedly, from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.

    And that's something the apologists and shills for the Warren Commission never ever mention or discuss. They can't afford to.

    They are backing a lie and either purposely or ignorantly never put all the facts on the table.
     
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    You are the one backing a lie. They had the same conditions Oswald did and had nothing unusual to contend with.

    The marine corps knows more than anyone else about Oswald's shooting skills and they rated him a sharpshooter which is a fact you ignore and lie about.
     
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    Which is just one of the main reasons why I’m more than willing to hear arguments of a second shooter (it’s also a very good reason he may be the only one involved—if you’re spending a lot of money on this guy to kill the President for you wouldn’t you give him a better gun?)

    For some reason, even though he bought the rifle used, the police couldn’t find the rifle in his residence but found it at TSBD, says he was brining curtain rods into the TSBD but nobody found them except AT his residence (alllegedly), tried to assassinate another fellow, went home and got a gun after the assassination, took all sorts of evasive maneuvers after the getting the gun, killed a cop, etc…and happened to work in the place where the shots were fired from… you don’t think he fired a shot that day???
     
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    Uhhhh no actually not. Again...he shot barely Sharpshooter in Basic training after weeks of practice shooting. Sharpshooter is the MIDDLE ranking with Marksman the lowest and Expert the highest. When he "qualified" later he barely made Marksman. If he missed twice more he would have washed out of the Marines. And ALL of these were at STATIONARY targets.

    That's pretty bad
     
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    Yes and sharpshooter being in the middle proves he was a good shot end of story.

    Once again you ignore the fact that even the worst Marine marksman is a good shot.

    That absolute fact destroys your petty lie.

    Grow up and stop being dishonest you are proven wrong and you know it.

    He did not need to try and qualify later in his enlistment as he was close to discharge anyways.

    you are proven wrong and massively so and you know it
     
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    OMFG

    Scientists tell us that 2 out of 3 is a 66.666% accuracy. Do the math if you don’t believe me.


    The Marine Corps says the following about the Sharpshooter Ranking:

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    190 points is 38 shots out of 50. 38 out of 50 is 76%.

    He was more than adequate enough to shoot 2 out of 3. The math proves it.

    Next!
     
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    if you’re spending a lot of money on this guy to kill the President for you wouldn’t you give him a better gun?

    If he's a patsy all you care about is that his gun can be traced. And buying it mail order ensured that

    says he was brining curtain rods into the TSBD


    Nope. He said he brought his lunch

    By the way...the allegation is that Oswald ran down to the lunchroom after shooting the President in order to try to establish an alibi of sorts...then exits the building and runs home...gets a gun...shoots a cop...and then goes to a MOVIE?

    He wasn't chased into that theater. He was sitting there for like 15 minutes when the cops came.

    Why wasn't he on a bus out of town?

    If he was suicidal...why did he try to act innocent at the TSBD.

    Nothing in what is claimed about Oswald makes sense
     
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    He was not a Patsy and the evidence including the mail order rifle proves he shot Kennedy.

    You are proven massively wrong about the lunch claim you have no source and a direct transcript proves you massively wrong.

    He did not say he brought his lunch and that is yet one more of many lies from you debunked.

    It all makes sense. He was on the run and being chased and knew it when he ran to the theater.

    People who commit murder do not tend to behave in a rational manner which is why his movements do make sense.

    He had little money and no where to go which is why he did not take a bus out of town
     
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    Hey, it all points to Oswald being part of a larger conspiracy which is what I feel is the case.

    I just showed you what he said. Please show me your link to this—and why his lunch would be in a 27 inch long brown paper package—LOL

     
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    There is all sorts of proof and good strong circumstantial evidence of second shooters (the hole in the back of Kennedy's skull for one thing....proof, all the people who spontaneously and immediately recognized shots coming from the grassy knoll area for another...strong circumstantial evidence).

    Yes...once the local boys were told by the FBI which rifle they "found" instead of believing their own lying eyes.
    The rifle which was found at the shooters nest and never left police custody was switched out for the Manlicher-Carcano, which just magically appeared one day out of thin air.

    I already offered proof of curtain rods in the possession of Dallas police and the fingerprints they ran on them. That little detail they never bothered to make public ends the mystery of curtain rods.

    Who was that "other fellow" and when did this happen?

    Just like the killing of JFK there are all sorts of holes and inconsistencies in the claim that Oswald shot JD Tippit. http://www.22november1963.org.uk/did-lee-harvey-oswald-kill-officer-jd-tippit

    How many other people worked there?
    Are they all guilty too? A CIA connected "manager", Ruth Paine, got Oswald his job at the TSBD. You would do well to examine
    her and her story before striving to make such simplistic connections.

    I don't think anyone has ever demonstrated that Oswald killed anyone that day and certainly no one has clearly identified him shooting at anyone. It's the Warren Commission's abhorrently dishonest narrative
    that names Oswald as a twisted killer without any real proof at all.
    Why would Jack Ruby need to shoot Oswald if the government could prove it's case against him? Try considering that.
     
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    Screen Shot 2017-05-14 at 9.10.51 AM.png
    Is this what you’re talking about?

    Again, where was it found—according to the link.
     
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    The hole in his head is not evidence of a second shooter at all. The wound was caused by a bullet which entered from above and behind which is proven beyond any challenge.

    Herd mentality of people running up the little hill is irrelevant as no evidence of any kind even suggests a shooter on that little hill and in fact the vast majority of witnesses heard all 3 shots ( and only 3 shots ) coming from a position consistent with Oswald's nest.

    There is no evidence of anyone being told to lie about the rifle they found and they readily admitted to a simple mistake which is very likely since the mauser resembles a carcano and with no evidence there is no logical reason to believe anything other than a simple mistake. Nor is there any evidence of the rifle being switched out or even a reason to do so.

    So you have no evidence about the rifle or a second shooter.

    You are outright lying about evidence of actual curtain rods as you never provided any such evidence. No one ever has because no one ever found such rods.

    No there are not any holes in the shooting of Tibbets much like Kennedy the evidence is crushing Oswald did both.

    Roth Paine was a teacher not a manager and had no connections to the CIA. More outright lies.

    The evidence is overwhelming that he shot at Kennedy and the lies are coming from you and
    The vast majority of people heard 3 and only 3 shots coming from a position consistent with Oswald's nest. herd mentality of people running up the hill is not evidence.

    There is zero evidence whatsoever of the cops being told what rifle they found or having it switched out. That entire claim is a manufactured fairy tale and not evidence of jack ****.

    The hole in the back of the head has been done to death and you have been proven wrong. It is not evidence of a shot from in front.

    Ruth paine was not a manager she was a teacher and had no CIA connections. More made up lies from you and no evidence.

    The evidence he shot Tibbets is as overwhelming WITH no holes as the evidence he shot Kennedy.

    You have been proven wrong on that again

    You have no evidence circumstantial or otherwise.

    You never offered any proof of the curtain rods of any sort. More lies
     
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    Very little about Tibbets is real
     
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    The YouTube version has a glitch at the 10 minute mark where Oswald is still something like 12 years old. The sound goes out about 10 minutes into it.

    Strange how one guy says he watched 15 minutes of it.... So I fired up the frontline website and watched it there. They post his Marine Core Scores showing what kind of shot he was which was far more than adequate to make 2 out of 3 in Dealey Plaza.

    Very demining to the CIA.

    Glad to see the House investigator coming to the same conclusions I did; Oswald is obviously guilty...the question is whether he had help or not. It looks more and more like he did.
     
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