Whenever someone says "and you know it" in a debate, he has proven himself to be a jerk off and a ****** bag.
Not to drop myself in the middle of it but if someone is making the argument that a US Marine is a poor shot, they are wrong and, unless they suffered a serious injury damaging their intellect...they know that they are wrong.
There was a documentary years ago that tried to recreate Oswald's shot. Same height, same angle, same type of gun. They were near perfect. All of the ballistics gel dummies took nearly identical wounds to those wounded in the assassination. The differences were less than an inch off in most cases. When they documented the "wounds" on standard police reporting forms, they took it to a foreign Medical Examiner (someone who wouldn't really remember the JFK case) and after looking at it, the ME declared that it had to have been multiple shots and multiple shooters. Shown the evidence of the shot test footage, he had to admit that the evidence didn't lie and that his judgment was based on what he knew as an ME. While this does not actually remove the possibility of a second shooter, it does prove that Oswald's shot was not an impossible one. He could have made the shot. And so what if he was a terrible shot (compared to USMC Training)? I have given a rifle to someone who hasn't shot a rifle before and had them shoot a bullseye on the first shot. Couldn't hit it again until I could get them to solve their mistakes while shooting, but they did hit the target first time. Take someone like Oswald who has had training and was barely sub par for the USMC...and the odds of him making a shot like that aren't as astronomical as many think.
Certain people keep insisting that Oswald was a Marine, and therefore, an inherently crack shot capable of using a terrible, cheap bolt action Italian war surplus rifle (with a misaligned sight, by the way) and hitting a relatively small moving target twice within a period of six seconds and doing so from a vantage point obscured by live oak tree branches. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Brehm Here's a news flash for some...being a Marine, in and of itself, does not make one an Annie Oakley or Chris Kyle. Marines are people too and some are better shots than others. And furthermore, Lee Harvey Oswald was not known to have practiced or maintained any sort of proficiency with his rifle at all making his alleged shooting even more unbelievable and unlikely. The forensic physical evidence is clear that JFK was shot by more than one shooter and one of those shots came from the front and side of him. The people that wanted the president killed had one chance at one well thought out ambush point. So they are going to definitely drive down their odds of success by making one of the key shooters Lee Harvey Oswald? The man with the junk rifle and the extremely ordinary shooting background? And that's being very charitable towards Lee Oswald, indeed! That's an incredibly unlikely and counter intuitive bit of idiocy. It's like being down in the ninth inning of the seventh game of the World Series with only three outs left in your season and inexplicably sending a guy to the plate who played some unexceptional high school baseball, years ago, and not since then, in place of your tried and tested hitter from the heart of your batting order as one of your last chances to save the game. Impossible! Ridiculous! Unthinkable! That's what the deniers would have you believe though. It makes zero sense and the people making the wishful case for Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin, are simply blowing smoke out their rear ends in a desperate and failed effort to revise history with something that just cannot be so.
Yes I am. It was an entire page of what looks like message board posts. I’m trying to find the cogent parts.
Well, Frontline posted his scores, he was getting 190+ out of 250 for a clip of about 70-80% hits. Hitting 66% seems pretty likely given the target was slow moving and taking no evasive action. As for the baseball analogy…if you have Babe Ruth on the bench sure. The problem with conspiracies is that you can’t pick and choose who you want to be involved; they have to do it on their own. Oswald was good enough shot to have made the shots that killed the President. Not by virtue of being a Marine but by virtue of what he scored on marksmanship in the Marines.
I would suggest looking at my citation for once. His Marine Corps captain didn't have that much confidence in Oswald's ability with a rifle. Why do you? Here...let me save you the trouble of looking through all those posts. I'll save you one excuse, at least. http://articles.latimes.com/1993-11-21/local/me-59498_1_oswald-s-marksmanship As far as the baseball analogy, this isn't about who is on the bench...it's about the no one you let play in the biggest game ever when the stakes couldn't be higher. It's absolutely counter to common sense.
Yes being a Marine makes one a better shot than most people like it or not. The misaligned scope is irrelevant which has been proven as he did not need to sue the scope. He was not shooting through foliage and that claim has been proven false. Finally the target was moving almost directly away from him which even the slowest person knows makes the shot very easy. Unfortunately for you the evidence proves he WAS known to maintain if not improve his shooting proficiency in the year after being discharged. There is no forensic evidence of any kind showing another shooter or that Kennedy and Connally were shot from the front. All the forensic evidence shows they were shot from Oswald's rifle and no other rifle and from above and behind. It is you and others who are deniers and liars.
He was a Marine and trained to shoot by the Marines. No one is saying he was an expert he was adequate and the shooting he performed in Dealey was not difficult and it is just that simple
That is a proven lie as we have shown. He was not nearly washed out and was a good shot. The skill needed in dealey was minimal and he had more training than was necessary.
Nonsense. They shoot at the same stationary targets at the same distances. And Oswald missed a hell of a lot of those STATIONARY targets
Really? I understand you think you are the Gatekeeper of the Warren Commission but really. You're embarrassing yourself. When he re-qualified (a yearly event) after boot camp he made Marksman (the lowest ranking) by just two shots. Had h missed those two shots he would have washed out of the Marines. Yea...good shot...
By definition his score shows he hit more than he missed. Just like in dealey. fact and it is you desperately trying to spout nonsense
His low score you keep citing was shortly before being discharged anyways which means he did not care and did not need to try. it proves NOTHING. He was still a good shot and that is proven. One more time get this fact in your head a piss poor marine marksman is STILL a good shot compared to most. You are proven wrong and I am no gate keeper I am stating facts which debunk the hell out of your idiotic theories
Gimmee a break. Now you know Oswald's state of mind? Go away. He was a poor shot in Basic Training and got worse over time.
Marines shoot the same weapons at the same stationary targets at the same distances as everyone else. FAIL
That is true; he did miss a lot. He also hit a lot. He hit more than he missed. Almost 3 out of 4. Easily more than the 2 out of 3 required to pull off the event in Dealey Plaza. Those are facts. He scored 3 out of 4 while he was in the corps and pulled off a 2 out of 3 in Dallas.
No it is a logical state of mind for anyone close to discharge. He was not a poor shot in basic training. He only got worse when it did not matter. Your effort to paint him as a terrible shot is a massive proven failure and that is FACT you cannot offer any evidence to refute. I will go no where and you know you have failed and are proven wrong
They are the best trained marksmen in the military and the shooting in dealey was very easy to accomplish as has been proven time and time again. Yes you are the proven fail at every turn. They do not shoot exactly the same as everyone else their training is longer and more comprehensive and intense. Stop spouting your PROVEN ignorance and just grow up you have been massively crushed and you know it boy
