PBS Frontline: Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?

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  1. Lesh

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    Again...and you've been shown this before..In basic training...with weeks of practice...Oswald scored at the bottom of the middle ranking (Sharpshooter) and a year later scored only two hits above a score that would have kicked him out of the Marines.

    And this was at stationary targets.

    He was a Horrible shot
     
  2. Soupnazi

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    He was a good shot you keep lying and ignoring this fact.

    The Marines have the best basic marksmanship training in the military and even the worst Marine shooter is a better shot compared to most.

    That simple fact proves you wrong and massively wrong

    Scoring sharpshooter makes him an average shot for marines. Shooting lower at the end of ones enlistment when it is irrelevant means nothing .

    You have failed and failed incredibly you have been crushed and put to bed.

    he is proven to have been a good shot easily skilled enough to make the easy shots in dealey.

    You lose and are pwned
     
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    PFFT.... Hitting 2 out of 3 is all that was required.
    If you wish to become somewhat informed on what you're saying...you are invited to watch the Frontline piece yourself at their website:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/oswald/

    You should watch the whole thing to become more enlightened but the rifle scores are mentioned at the 13:20 mark.

    212 and 191. Sharpshooter and Marksman. At something 200 yards away; at least
    http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/marine-corps-weapons-qualification-course.html

    The distance between LHO and JFK was 75 yards or so when he killed him.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not a jerk and you know it!!!
     
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    Still nothing of substance to say
     
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    Neither do you....ever.
     
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  7. Lesh

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    Too bad when experts tried it, few of them could duplicate those shots with that gun...and THEY weren't shooting at the POTUS .
     
  8. Lesh

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    1. Expert: a score of 220 to 250.
    2. Sharpshooter: 210 to 219.
    3. Marksman: 190 to 209.
    According to his Marine score card (Commission Exhibit 239), Oswald was tested twice:

    1. In December 1956, after “a very intensive 3 weeks’ training period” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.11, p.302), Oswald scored 212: two marks above the minimum for a ‘sharpshooter’.
    2. In May 1959, he scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman’.
    So he made Sharpshooter by 2 shots after weeks of practice and later scored 191..if he had missed two more shots he would have washed out of the Marines.And that was at stationary targets with good quality rifles.

    You're both being stubbornly stupid
     
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    Great. His scores were terrible
     
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    That he qualified to be one of "the few, the proud..."...I'm happy with my selection.
     
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    And he was doing it shooting at something 5 times further away or so than JFK was...
     
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    You're welcome to your opinion...but that's all it is.

    The FACTS however say that Oswald was a pretty terrible shooter
     
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    That was stationary and NOT the POTUS and not with that POS Carcano that jammed about every other shot.

    To give you an idea HOW bad that rifle was...bolt action rifles are famous for their simplicity and reliability. They rarely jam. THIS piece of garbage jammed constantly
     
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    No facts say anything such as that.
     
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    Fact: In order to graduate the USMC Boot camp you have to qualify as Marksman (scoring 190 out of a possible 250 points in one's qualifier).
    Fact: If you do not pass your qualifier, you are recycled to the beginning of the Weapon's Qualification Course delaying your graduation from Boot.
    Fact: Oswald obviously passed at least the Marksman level of qualification as he was a US Marine for almost 3 years.

    One can surmise from said facts that Oswald was at least a capable shot.

    Yes the rifle used is prone to jamming. But weapons that jam do so upon ejecting the spent round and positioning a new round into the chamber. The Documentary "Beyond the Magic Bullet" proves that a single bullet fired from that location and at that angle was a possible shot and one that could be reproduced. So if the rifle was prone to jamming, he likely would have gotten one round in the chamber to fire...and given the range and slowness of the vehicle one shot was all that was needed.

    Not saying that there was or there wasn't a second shooter or that a larger conspiracy was or wasn't involved, but going on about how "Oswald couldn't have made that shot" because you don't believe it is deliberately ignoring an important piece of the puzzle.
     
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    As I said when I waded into this discussion; if the argument was that he couldn't have gotten off 3 shots in the time allowed on the Zapruder film; that is one thing. If the argument is that he could get the shots off but couldn't have hit the target...that is a different kettle of fish. There is nothing other than prejudice or self interest to base the denial upon. As stated at the time, people make shots in basketball from half court all the time. They usually miss, true, but in this case, Oswald didn't on 2 out of 3 shots.

    I really cannot fathom why this life-long-loser has developed so many fans that look at:

    His rifle being in the TSBD and not his residence
    His carrying a large brown paper clad object into the TSBD on the same day the President is shot
    His disappearing from the TSBD after Kennedy was killed
    His taking a bus, cab, walking, to his boarding house.
    His getting a gun, reportedly shooting JD Tippit,
    His ditching his jacket behind a row of cars.
    His going into a theater without paying
    His previous attempt to kill General Walker

    and make excuse after excuse for all of it.
     
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    There is no proof Oswald shot at anyone! That's the bottom line.
     
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    There is more proof that he did than proof that he didn’t.
     
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    That's not how the law works. Either his guilt can be proved or not.
     
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    The preponderance of evidence paints him guilty.
     
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    *The paraffin test says otherwise.
    *The fact that NO ONE can place him up on the sixth floor just before, during or after the shooting says otherwise.
    *His weapon was never recovered from the scene. How do you shoot someone without a rifle?
    *How do you shoot someone with a sight that cannot be properly aligned? Didn't Oswald need to actually look
    at what he was shooting?
    *Despite your claims, whoever you are, Oswald's Marine commander and fellow soldiers all called him a horrible shot.
    I'm going to stick with the people that actually served with him.
    *The same Warren Commission who has always denied other shooters (despite Kennedy's head wounds that couldn't possibly come from behind, as claimed) say Oswald was the only shooter, therefore they cannot be trusted and their charge is invalidated and false.
    *Multiple eye witnesses ALL report the same thing: shots that came from the infamous "grassy knoll" area of Dealy Plaza. The unmistakable sound of gun fire from there and puffs of smoke from rifle fire were all caused by Lee Harvey Oswald, I guess, if you are to be believed (and you are not).

    Now...what "preponderance" are you speaking of?
     
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    Many have matched his shooting or shown it can be done.
     
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    After weeks of training.

    His lower score close to his discharge when it did not matter to try.

    The Marines have the best basic marksmanship training program in the US military making him a good shot.

    That is fact overwhelmingly proven and it is you being desperately stupid trying to argue otherwise.
     
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    The paraffin test does NOT say otherwise it is in FACT not evidence of anything at all. This is proven fact you know it and are lying.

    Yes witnesses placed him on the sixth floor just prior to the shooting. You lie about that fact again.

    His weapon was recovered from the scene.

    The weapon's telescopic sight was not needed and he easily could have made the shots while ignoring it and using the iron sights. That has been explained and proven.

    No one called him a horrible shot and he had no fellow soldiers of any kind. His record proves he was not a horrible shot which trumps and disproves your claim.

    Kennedy's head wound does not prove a shot from in front or multiple shooters.

    Only a few witnesses claimed to have heard shots coming from the knoll and none saw any such smoke. The vast majority of witnesses heard the shots coming from the TSBD.

    The preponderance of evidence which you ignore and lie about
     
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    That is a lie.

    Sharpshooter is not terrible. In fact qualifying even barely is not terrible
     

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