Peak Internal Combustion Engine Sales Behind Us

We already covered the maths -

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1073125306/

 

I understand what you're saying, and I guess technically you are right, but a single speed, and just neutral and park, is not much a transmission.

 

An ice needs oil, for the transmission too, and they have tires too

 

https://www.kbb.com/tesla/maintenance-schedules/
Tesla:

That a heck of a lot cheaper than five quarts of synthetic oil x 3 at Goodyear!
Electric motors can last long time, so it is probably more about bearings, gearbox, and batteries. I’ve got almost 10 flawless years on my Prius ~90k miles. Gonna sell it soon.

 

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The ole Trust In The Future reply

Consider the Earth destruction to mine Lithium
and other rare Earths.
And the all mighty carbon foot print via such mining.



Not Politically Popular, eh

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Moi

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And if people are not on a budget to buy Musk's service package, which other garage can you go to with a Tesla?

 

What?? Where did you get the idea that "pro EV people" don't care?

 

?? No, I'm saying we have work to do.

As for batteries, we need to work on that, too.

And, there is huge investment in battery research, as it is a super highly rewarding field if/when progress gets made.

Some progress:

• Zinc-manganese oxide batteries. ...
• Organosilicon electrolyte batteries. ...
• Gold nanowire gel electrolyte batteries. ...
• TankTwo String Cell™ batteries

China has a new battery type that doesn't require rare Earths and is probably a solution for EVs, too.

 

Right.

Trust In The Future


Moi

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Can I Sell You Some CO2 Bricks?

 

Tesla doesn't sell service plans anymore. If someone bought an extended service plan, they get a rebate.

I don't know what they actually charge for normal service or whether you can take your car to other service centers.

Quote from Musk:
"Basically we want drive units that just never wear out. That's our goal. And I think we've made really good progress in that direction. I mean, internally, our goal - we changed the goal of the drive unit endurance from being approximately 200,000 miles to being one million miles."

Their complete list of recommended service intervals:

• Brake fluid health check every 2 years (replace if necessary).
• A/C desiccant bag replacement every 6 years.
• Cabin air filter replacement every 2 years.
• Clean and lubricate brake calipers every year or 12,500 miles (20,000 km) if in an area where roads are salted during winter
• Rotate tires every 6,250 miles (10,000 km) or if tread depth difference is 2/32 in (1.5 mm) or greater, whichever comes first

 

I expressed NO trust.

I stated the job.

And, I pointed out that at least SOME of the job has huge rewards for success.

The one that is tougher is the energy one.

It's been a long time since anyone has been interested in creating a real energy plan for the USA.

And, there are HUGE vested interests in oil, coal and gas where there is opposition to any real plan.

Surely you don't think I trust that.

 

". . . A quick look at the numbers and its clear that EVs depreciate quicker than their gas counterparts. . . . "
Gas is unlikely to remain at the current price.

 

Of course, I haven't checked all the EV offerings today. But, there isn't any question that Teslas are holding value remarkably well.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/Tesla-Model-S-d2039

Compare that to the Ford F150, the most popular auto:

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/Ford-F-150-d337

As for gas price, the main reason it is high is claimed to be the Ukraine war and the lower availability of Russian oil.

I think improvement will require the war to be over and for the oil commodities markets to gain confidence in what supply is subsequently available.

One of the main reason for high commodities market prices is lack of confidence. That has ALWAYS been impacted by unrest.

 

Well, yes, he left those companies, Then they became profitable He never made a company money by managing it, he made it all by selling it out. lol. RE Pay Pal, he just merged his company with Pay Pal, Theil started Pay Pal. In fact Pay Pal was trying to get rid of Musk.

Musk scored a net return of over $165 million after his financial services company, X.com, merged with PayPal - which was bought by eBay.
Soon after the sale of Zip2, Musk invested $12 million of his own money into co-founding X.com, which he envisioned as the future of online banking. In early 2000, X.com merged with its rival Confinity, and the company was renamed PayPal. As the majority shareholder, Musk was ousted as CEO amid protracted boardroom squabbling. PayPal then accepted eBay's offer to buy in July 2002 - against Musk's advice. After the 1.5 billion deal finally went through, he came away with $180 million after taxes.

https://money.com/8-innovative-ways-elon-musk-made-money-before-he-was-a-billionaire/

Tesla's only might make some money because Federal and state govts. both subsidize its manufacturing and and pays rich people to buy the cars. lol so no, it isn't 'profitable', not by a long shot.

 

lol rubbish numbers; it costs a lot more than 17 cents a mile to drive anything, for one; these people you're citing have zero idea of total costs right off the bat, no need to bother with their incredible claims. Depreciation alone would be more than that, and the more expensive the car the higher the depreciation will be. You can't even get started on that line of fake news.

 

lol we know; you were lying about what I said. Sarcasm is above your pay grade and education level, so sorry to have confused you.

 

I cited Tesla net income.

What can you cite.

 

The electric truck people are already in hot water, facing recalls an bankruptcy and will have to bailed out by the govt. When Tesla's 'driverless vehicles' kill a few more people the lawsuit will eventually finish off that company. Musk is already calling for stock splits to lower the share prices, since he is looking to bail and cash out before the bubble bursts. which will be sooner than later now.

 

I just did, and Tesla has yet to make all that 'profit' you claim. Most of it is no doubt just accounting gimmicks shoving certain costs off on future years debit sheets. It's Pr puffery to keep stock prices high so he dump it at good prices.

 

I cited depreciation charts for Teslas and for Ford f150 above.

I posted Car&Driver's analysis of costs of ownership for two car models where there is an EV version and an ICE version of the same car.

They were VERY clear about their numbers, so they can all be checked.


I'm WAY open to you coming up with actual data.

But, this has gone a long ways beyond the ad hom state, OK?

 

lol rubbish, But go ahead and run to your mod bodyguard if all you have left is Posting Last; we're used to that here. And, you have no idea if their puff piece numbers are correct, and anybody who has ever operated a vehicle for profit knows '17 cents a mile' is a crock and '5 cents a mile' is utterly ridiculous, but you can get mods to keep the Scary People away, so you can have those posts you don't like deleted as usual.

 

The PEanut Gallery can find their calculators and figure out that at rock bottom prices of $44,000 for a Tesla with no frills divided by its first 250,000 miles, a big 'if' that anybody ever puts that on one, is over 17 cents per mile just on the purchase price alone.If that didn't wear you out, or after you take a nap from the strain of doing the first numbers, do the same for the $130,000 model .... it's over 52 cents a mile for the first 250,000 miles up front, not including other expenses that will accrue.

Please ignore the dumbasses who believe crap they read in sales ads. It's obvious ad hom arguments are perfectly valid in many cases, as those of us who took Logic 102 know, versus those who just took 101 for the easy stoner elective credit.

 

Uh.... No. Car sales are down period. Until clean energy can be as efficient as fossil fuels it ain't happening.

 

Soooooooo. If you divided the price of a ICE car by the same amount and added in fuel costs - how does it compare?

 

I love right wingers they are so ten years ago!