Pelosi says the country must move toward vote by mail

Three tubs of ballots discovered in mail processing center after polls closed in Wisconsin

"I learned today that the (state Elections Commission) received a call from a postal service worker informing them 3 large tubs of absentee ballots from Oshkosh and Appleton, were just located," Republican Sen. Dan Feyen of Fond du Lac said on Twitter.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...olls-closed-in-wisconsin/ar-BB12laJO?ocid=sf2

 

You can bet the farm that if we move to vote-by-mail, the Democrats will point to instances like these in every lost election as proof the GOP is cheating.

 

You can bet the farm that if we move to vote-by-mail, the three tubs of misplaced ballots will have come from Republican areas.

 

And the Demcorats won't care, so long as they win.

 

If we still have a pandemic going on, then of course we do. I don't see how this could be remotely controversial.

 

What you can actually bet on is that we'll see tons of unsourced stories like this with no kind of evidence ever provided, like we normally get when the GOP complains about supposed voter fraud, but fringe right forumites will copy/paste the stories like crazy anyway.

 

Easily changed to: only regulate how they will get the ballots to the citizens in their state in which they play a role.

Provide a source — not your interpretation of the constitution — that Congress cannot mandate a vote at home / or vote by mail option.

 

See the source? They put the MSN in MSNBC.

 

The source didn't say that these were all or mostly GOP votes, like in your version of events. All you have were some undelivered ballots that people complained about and the the commission was following up on. It doesn't take a genius to realize that if we deliver things by mail, some people will not receive their delivery and we'll need to follow up with them. But I guess the far right can keep playing make believe that undelivered mail was never an issue anywhere in the country until this happened, if that's what it takes to keep the fake victim conspiracy narrative going.

Also, I don't exactly trust MSNBC as a source. I'm not sure why you are pretending to. Something tells me if I look at your search history I'll see some contradictions there.

 

He could contrive any situation. Who knows, there may be rioting and food shortages by November. All he has to do is call out the National Guard because of 'civil unrest' and cancel or postpone the Nov. election. I know one thing, he cannot lose because if he dies the AG of New York is going to be waiting in line to serve him a subpoena.

 

What do you think happens if there's no election this November?

 

Article 1 Section 4 of the Constitution. Go read it.

 

And more importantly, with regard to a presidential election:

Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors...
Article II, Sec 1

State legislature have plenary power here, and can decide to appoint the electors w/o an election.

 

He'd still have to have constitutional authority and the Electoral College would vote regardless of whether there are elections in November, they are not necessary.

What subpoena does the AG of New York have against Trump?

 

Wrong, that does not concern the voting within the state but the voting out of the country in which the federal government handles for the states and a uniform process for THAT. It does not dictate to the states how to hold their state elections.

 

Same thing that would have happened in Florida 2000 had the state not been able to certify it's vote for the electors. The state legislature would have chosen them.

 

One of the several possibilities.

 

I don't know of any other.

 

I thin you should read my post again.

 

If there's no election, the terms still expire - and so, there will be no members of House and only 2/3 of the senate,
Governors will appoint these seats.

 

Kode, when you have laws that say you don't need an Oregon DMV number, a Social Security number, or a birth certificate or photo ID to register to vote - only a utility bill that could belong to anyone - you are asking for fraud, and you are giving ammunition to the anti-vote by mail argument.

I found this interesting. Not in what they found, but what they didn't find.

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/st...ovember-election-dennis-richardson/671503001/

- Not one voter was found not to be an American citizen. And why should they find that? After all, it is not necessary to prove you're a citizen to vote!
Let's say I sneak across the border. I have no Oregon ID or driver license and no Social Security number. But I get a job, and I can produce a pay stub with my name and address on it. So I register to vote using that pay stub, and I vote. How is that ever going to be detected? The answer is that it won't be detected. There is no way to do it since that voter has legally registered. There is no red flag on that vote. As far as the State is concerned, that's a perfectly legal vote - nothing suspicious there. As long as I don't vote in two states, or vote twice, I'm home free.

The fact that not one fraudulent vote was found to be because of non-citizen status is not proof that it doesn't happen. It is proof that our registration system is set up not to find it. Why do you think that is - in a state whose politics are completely controlled by Democrats? And I think it is utterly naive to think this is not deliberate. Politicians who write our laws always decide things through the lens of political advantage.

- Not one case was found where a family member voted the ballots mailed to other family members. And again, why should they? If I get my wife's ballot out of the mailbox, and I vote my wife's ballot, where is the red flag to check if that happened? There isn't one. And how many family members are going to rat out another family member anyway? - if they even find out about it. When was the last time the State contacted you and asked if you or a family member voted your ballot? Never, that's when. Even if I voted my wife's ballot, I would deny it and say the ballot must have been stolen out of the mailbox, or mis-delivered, or whatever. "Nope. I didn't do that. Prove it."

- Only two voters voted twice. Is this proof that only two voters in the whole state did this? Or is this evidence that voting twice is easy to get away with using mail ballots? The answer is that we don't know. What we do know, however, is that it would be much more difficult to vote twice if you had to physically show up at a voting booth and show photo proof of identity that was backed by a birth certificate - like an Oregon ID card or driver license. Now I am not saying we should do away with mail ballots in favor of showing up at a voting booth. What I am saying is that it is specious to claim that only two voters voted twice and to declare that this is proof of the integrity of the system. If we are honest with ourselves, we must admit that we give up something to gain something. What we gain is convenience and high voter turnout. What we give up is some integrity of the vote.



Finally neighbor, let's again be honest with each other. There is a lot of hypocrisy on both sides about this issue. One side sees a political advantage to letting people vote who have no proof of citizenship and no positive proof of identity. The other side sees a political advantage to requiring positive proof of citizenship and identity.

Just imagine for a moment that the Hispanic vote (legal and illegal) and the "poor and disadvantaged" vote went overwhelmingly to Republicans instead of Democrats. I would bet you ten cases of beer that the Republicans would be championing vote by mail with no proof of citizenship or identity, while Democrats would be decrying the fact that Republicans were stealing elections, and they would be asking for more stringent rules to protect the integrity of the vote.

Neither side has a lock on the moral high ground here. That's how I see it.

 

Laughably false. There are HUNDREDS of small elections that can be swung by a minimal of fraudulent votes, your mayor, your city councilman, your school board rep. Last election cycle in Virginia they had to toss a coin because the vote for a state representative was a dead tie and that one seat decided which party would control the state legislature so stop with the "vote fraud is so small it doesn't matter" canard ONE FRAUDULENT vote in Virginia could have determined which party controlled the state legislature. Al Franken won his Senate seat by a mere 312 votes. IN 2000 Florida was determined by a similar margin and that determined the Presidential race. A fraudulent vote means someone else's vote was disfranchised, what happened to the every vote must count?

 

Thought you were just talking Presidential.

 

Are you denying the story or something?

 

I will go to my polling place, mask in place, flash them my ID, get my ballot, mark it and run it though the vote counting machine thank you very much!