Pelosi says the country must move toward vote by mail

That isn’t what a popular vote is
“In a United States presidential election, the popular vote is the total number or percentage of votes cast for a candidate by voters in the 50 states and Washington, D.C.; the candidate who gets the most votes nationwide is said to have won the popular vote.”
I am uninterested in your silly games

 

Everyone knows this.
Everyone.

 

Yes, everything is a conspiracy or fraud

Can you point where in the constitution it says the Federal Government is prohibited from setting guidelines on voting?
No law has ever been passed to make certain Americans be able to vote by mail? (You should look into this before answering | hint: UOCAVA)

 

Maybe Trump needs to give her a little Train Conductors
Cap.Maybe even a custom pink one with a nice little bow
ribbon.And some good little chewy stuff to help her spit.
Maybe some new flavor Red Man chewing tobacco.

 

The easiest way to fix that is everyone has to submit their real ID to get a mail in ballot. You will need it to board a plane, why not vote?

 

I am not a 'live and die' by the constitution. Any country that does not adapt to current times in favor of a long ago written document is lost to the future. I believe the constitution to be a fine document but, as has been done in the past, amendments become necessary now and then.

 

They show a running tally of votes from VOTERS, and that is most important.

I held my nose and cast my vote for Hillary. My state didn't represent my vote or that of 42% of voters. They vanished. Where did they go?
Disenfranchised and we don't have the "democracy" all politicians love to reference. You can spin this all you want, and of course it is all done according to law, but it's unethical, undemocratic, and wrong. The electoral college is from an era when communications and transportation were both primitive. It's time to move on. I'm sorry you don't like fairness.

 

We pay 70 billion to maintain the antiquated communication system called the post office. Switching to a digital infrastructure to accomplish the federal purpose of a postal system (again, the purpose is not so that you can get your lube from Amazon) . The purpose is so that citizens can communicate effectively with government. You'll still get your lube from Fedex, UPS, Uber, Lyft, Amazon drones, etc. There's no reason for the Federal government to subsidize Amazon's ability to deliver product to your door.

As for your digital system currently being free, I'd like to know who your provider is, and how you access that system for free. People will need technology to make use of the system. That infrastructure will need to be built to promote public access. But there's no reason why Uncle Sam can't have a digital message system that is publicly governed, rather than privately governed, which costs much less than the 70 billion we currently pay for federal employees to drive to everyone's house every day.

For you greenies...just think about how much fuel would be saved...

 

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For all we know, none of that is really true. But I know this: in Oregon's mail-in ballot system, years of voting were investigated for fraud. They examined over 100 million votes and they found fraud! Yep. They found 12 cases of fraud. So yeah, fraud does happen! So do lightning strikes.

 

Wait a minute are you seriously going to contend that on election night and CNN has a running tally of the 51 state/dc separate popular vote numbers on the left and the electoral college votes on the right the number on the left is the more important number?

You cast your vote for the electors for Hillary. Sure they represented your vote, you lost, they went into the loser column. When you vote for mayor and the other guy wins where does your vote go?

It's not spin it's fact, you cast your vote you were not disfranchised, you lost and your state cast it's electoral votes for Trump. And on election night the only number that counts and is of any matter is the number of electors won. Each state has it's own unique to itself vote, the campaigns are run on that most basic principle of American government. That is how people vote, the voting patterns are according to that. Tallying up all those unique separate votes and calling that a reflect of a national popular vote is election and statistical folly. Were there one big national vote the voting patterns would be different, the result would be entirely different. Trump could have ended up with that majority, you don't and no one can say.

 

OH the Constitution doesn't matter now, well heck then Trump can just call off the election and remain President then the Constitution be damned. And yes it would take an Amendment to federalize elections and THAT ain't gonna happen and we don't want it to happen. Amendments are EXTREMELY rare for a reason. If you want vote by mail in YOUR STATE, fine vote it in. If you want it by phone call in YOUR STATE vote it in. The federal government has no authority to dictate to any state how it will conduct it's elections.

 

Not only to vote by mail. But to voting online.

 

It's not a conspiracy thing there are thousands of fake SS#'s and cards out there.

Ahhh that's not the way it works, the Constitution has to grant the authority and it grants that authority to the STATES. If YOUR STATE wants vote mail then vote it it. It's up to YOUR STATE.

 

Mixed emotions, neighbor. The best thing about voting by mail is that it is convenient. On the other hand, nothing protects the integrity of an election as well as having the voter physically appear at a voting station, positively identify himself, and then voting in privacy.

I just now used the web to see what would happen if I registered to vote online. I used "John Doe" as a name to go through the process. I was asked for a Drivers License or ID Number issued by DMV. At first I thought that was pretty good because in Oregon, in order to get a license or ID, you have to produce a birth certificate. But then I checked a box that said, "I don't have a DMV number." That led to a page asking for the last four digits of my Social Security number. I checked a box saying "I don't have a Social Security number." And that led to this next page ...

My Vote

Other Identification
If you do not have an Oregon DMV number you must provide a copy of one of the following with your registration:

• photo identification
• a utility bill
• a government document
• a paycheck stub
• a bank statement
• proof of eligibility under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA) or the Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act (VAEH)

And so now I'm disappointed. Looks to me like I can have no DMV number, no Social Security number, but I can have a utility bill, a paycheck stub, or a bank statement, and I can register to vote. You can try it yourself. I started by going to the Yamhill County website - County Clerk - and then pushed a "Register to Vote" button.

Are you kidding me? A utility bill?? This is tailor made for illegal aliens. No DMV number, no Social Security number, but I've got a paycheck stub!

Kode, I like the idea of vote by mail. But I want vote by mail with requirements that safeguard the integrity of the vote. Nobody should be able to register to vote without positively identifying himself. Do you agree?

 

And so, you WILL support a law that Congress has no power to enact - assuming you like it.
Good to know.

 

Nobody said it would. The goal of legislation ig's not to prevent something from happening, but to set rules and penalties for non compliance.

So we should stay stuck in history afraid to move forward because legislation might not prevent something from happening?

 

"Pelosi says the country must move toward vote by mail"

the right does this, so agree, the left should get in a habit of doing it as well

maybe we could have voting atm's, voting as easy as withdrawing money from the bank

 

For states to decide, not her. But i agree vote by mail is great. I just don't want the federal government mandating it, or much of anything.

 

Again, look up the UOCAVA.
There is precedent to mandate national vote by mail

If you look only at the constitution it is very narrowly worded but has several very vague parts — these parts have been exploited by both parties. So your argument that it is limited only and exclusively to what is listed is false.
Reagan signed the UOCAVA into law for example.

I even gave you the answer and you still missed the question.
Fascinating

 

The post office or USPS (United States parcel service) is fully and 100% self funded. It receives zero in taxpayer money. Amazon and Oil companies are more funded by the taxpayer than the USPS.

I also have no idea where you got that my “digital system” is currently free. I have never stated or even implied this.
Library’s around the US are free and virtually all of them have internet available however.

Where are you getting this 70 Billion Dollar figure you keep repeating?

 

Based on what?

 

Nice try! The comparison is moronic at best. As I said, we haven't gotten the prospect of voting in person even close to perfected yet. I am confident I could develop a solid system for voting online, but the argument would be the legality of identification and the potential for an online system to be hacked regardless of the security implemented. Vote by mail has too many hands touching that ballot for it to even be thought of as the solution. I despise the absentee ballot vote by mail.

 

Yes, and since you cant get into a dmv, them folks will JUST have to not vote. Tough break for the DEMS. Blacks, disabled.

 

Republicans have been screaming for years that voting in person isn’t secure — and while there have been a few documented cases the vast majority of it is electoral fraud. Do you have any unbiased sources that show voting by mail or voting at home with manual delivery — especially with security measures — is less secure than how we currently do it?

Or is it just your feelings?

 

Not sure how you made the jump from my comment to yours, but okay.

What do you think the founders would say in these times? Or even more extreme times? What if they knew that people were quarantined and couldn't get out to vote? Would they think of an amendment for those situations?