Pelosi says the country must move toward vote by mail

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Congress, the federal government cannot dictate to a state how it will conduct it's elections, if you want your state to use it fine vote it in or else start the amendment process. What you are citing is merely a regulation on how the federal government interacts between states and members of the military, government employees and citizens in foreign countries who utilize federal resources in those countries to facilitate the processing of those ballots on behalf of the states. It does not supercede the Constitution authority granted to the states to conduct their elections as THEY see fit.
     
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    They absolutely could do just like they did with UOCAVA and mandate vote by mail or vote at home be an option. No amendment was needed. States were not given an option.

    I think it is telling how terrified y’all are of a proposal like this — almost like your ideology has to be forced on an unwilling population and the only way to “win” is keep as many from voting as possible or gerrymander elections. Conservatism is a small step away from outright fascism at this point.

    If we can depend on our service members voting remotely, our president*, and numerous states already I see no reason why it cannot be rolled out nationwide.
     
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    Everyone will be required to get a real ID to board a plane in the United States, what's your point?
     
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    The founders firmly believed (and still would) that, the authority of the States to hold and administer elections not withstanding, to vote a person should go to the polls and identify himself. If for any reason someone couldn't do both then that is what is known today as tough s**t.
     
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    There was FEDERAL involvement and it was regulating THAT involvement and no the Federal government could not take over all the State elections and dictate methods, that thing called the Constitution. Again if you want it then pass it in YOUR STATE.
     
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    NOONE is boarding a plane, DUH.
     
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    And this will be FEDERAL involvement and it will be regulating THAT involvement.
    If they could do it then — they can do it now.
    AGAIN, why would I waste time trying to push it IN MY STATE when I can push for it EVERYWHERE?
    I believe EVERYONE’S voice should be heard — nationwide. EVERYWHERE
     
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    It only applied to absentee ballots in which the Federal government would be involved and how they would handle and interact with the states, nothing to do with the intrastate voting.

    It doesn't require mail in voting to have everyone's voice to be heard and you are free to get in your state by a vote of your state's citizens, it is not something the federal government can mandate.
     
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    I think this is a decent unbiased article laying out the risks and issues. I don't think it is every issue that there is, but it surely lays out plenty of problems. I don't think it addresses the people needed to handle the amount of mail in ballots. The polling locations are either volunteers or part time help on election days. The risk of bringing in volunteers or part time help for mailed ballots requires a greater level of vetting.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/07/danger-moving-vote-by-mail-168602
     
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    This only matters if the penalty for non-compliance is sufficient to deter people from breaking the law.
    Whatever the penalty, the Democrats see beating Trump as worth it.
    I see no rational reason whatsoever to make it easier for them to cheat - you may disagree.
     
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    Vetting would definitely be of upmost importance, or we could use and automated system that scans the ballots and then uploads them to the voters profile that they would be able to track through the system, with a hand count as a check and balance of the automated system.

    How we vote now is no longer working, we must look at more efficient and effective alternatives
     
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    Your narrative has already been proven false.
    If the Federal Government can mandate absentee voting be made available for one group then they can mandate it be made available for all groups.
     
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    And there you have it, I knew it would not take long for the democrats to try to use this virus to change the voting rules. They have already postponed their convention to August, the virus will be dead by June because of warm weather. When you vote in person, your ballot is sucked in by the machine and counted. if you vote by mail, they can open that up and do anything with it! The next thing they will propose is canceling the debates between President Trump and Biden, because they cannot stand to see him wipe the floor with Biden. They want to change the voting law because it does not benefit them and makes it easier for them to cheat. It is amazing how few virus deaths they have in CA.
     
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    Not at the moment, but they will be.
     
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    For her to remain Speaker, she's probably right.
     
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    Pelosi says the country must move toward vote by mail
    If the threat of exposure to Coronavirus continues into November, then it makes common sense to vote by mail. Why would anyone oppose such a solution?
     
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    You're dancing and spinning while pushing a losing argument. The total, national vote is what people watch. And votes for Hillary were essentially changed to electoral votes for Trump. You even, yourself, SAID - "on election night the only number that counts and is of any matter is the number of electors won."

    And that's because votes for the loser are ignored. And I'm done with your bickering over a dead issue. :deadhorse:
     
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    Neighbor Seth, look into the studies that have been done on the Oregon system. NOBODY has found any significant fraud in any study. The requirements you cited have been common in all types of voter registration system and it has been shown for years now that voter fraud has always been insignificant. The penalty isn't worth it, and the number of fraudulent votes needed to swing an election is so great as to vastly increase the chance of being caught. The call for voter IDs is just another right wing trick to diminish the number of voters. Think again about our record. In 2016 when the worst candidate we've ever seen was running and leading, Oregon turned out 80% of registered voters! That sounds very suspicious. Yet no voter fraud was found EVEN THEN!
     
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    Trump will cancel the election before any of this could come into play.
     
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    You didn't really think that though, did you?
     
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    Trump has no authority to cancel the election. And if elections are somehow cancelled his term would end on Jan 21st, regardless.
     
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    It's pretty rare for the military to be stationed within reasonable distance of their home of record -- where they could vote like ordinary citizens, and some of the military in certain specialties get moved around a lot, either by many permanent changes of station, or temporary duty assignments.
     
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    I'm standing right here watching you unable to address or refute what I posted. You have NEVER voted in a national election in this country, there has NEVER been a national election in this country. You ONLY voted in your state and your vote ONLY mattered in your state. If you lost....oh well. Your asserting that on election night the most important number on the screen is a meaningless tally of the votes in the 51 separate elections held over the numbers of electors won shows you have no understanding of how we elect the President and VP. Votes for losers count just as much as the votes for winners, the difference is the one with the most in an election wins. Yea I can understand why you are done, you can't refute the facts.
     
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    On what authority?
     
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    No it hasn't and why we don't have the Federal Government dictating to the states how they hold elections, only regulate how they will get the overseas ballots to the military and citizens in foreign countries in which they play a role.
     
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