Pentagon authorizes up to $1B to start 57 miles of border wall construction

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  1. Mrlucky

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    The Pentagon's announcement was made as Trump nears a victory over Democrats as the House tries to override his first veto, a vote that seems certain to fail and allow his declaration to stand. The vote, which is set for Tuesday, would keep the border emergency intact, which for now, would allow the president to shift an additional $3.6 billion from military construction projects to work on a barrier along the southwest boundary.

    The fencing, which will be 18 feet high, is to be erected in the Yuma and El Paso sectors, the statement read.

    No thanks to lib enablers, aliens are invading like fire ants. Nothing manufactured except the wall that will get built.

    Beto, Tear down that wall!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pe...to-start-57-miles-of-border-wall-construction
     
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    The voters spoke loudly and clearly in 2018. Dems were voted in as a direct response to his wall. But trump refuses to abide by the will of the people. the opinions of national security experts, or the intent of the Constitution. Instead he abuses power and takes money from programs that are actually needed.
     
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    Defense spending isn't needed?
    It's funds that have already been appropriated for use by the military as they see fit.
     
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    Good for them
     
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    I think the wall is a stupid idea, especially a partial wall as all they have been shown to do is divert illegals to other areas and not actually solve the problem. I would almost agree to just left the cons have a few sections to show them it doesn’t work but they have a habit of doubling down — their response would just turn into we need more walls, higher walls, two sets of walls with an acid pit, putting armed teachers along the border (oh, sorry, that’s a separate issue they are ignoring)

    National e-verify with substantial penalties for employers based on a percentage of gross revenue
    Levying fines against states, cities, or organizations that aid or shield illegals
    National biometric ID, could also be used to verify voting eligibility
    Ending all government social programs to illegals
    Make illegally crossing the border a felony
    End birthright citizenship
     
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    vote for house representative is not a vote for or against the wall.
     
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    The wall isn't meant to solve the problem it's meant to help.

    I don't think anyone thinks it's meant to solve the problem. That is a strawman you use in order to ridicule an idea that has been used literally for millennia.
     
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    Dems lost Senate seats. Wake up. And border patrol agents, you know the guys on the border that deal with this daily, and strongly in favor of a wall. But these talking heads at MSNBC and these left wing politicians in their cozy, little homes surrounded by security are now the "experts"? Funny.
     
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    Its meant to help what exactly? What other far more effective items are being proposed with the same ferocity as the wall?

    The conservatives shut down the government for the longest period of time in the history of our 241 year old nation over something that “isn’t meant to solve the problem”. Think about that — or don’t, whichever.

    Slavery was also used for a millennia as was blood letting for disease — “because it has always been done this way” is not a good argument. It’s an utterly pathetic one actually.

    A wall does not stop the 52% of illegals that overstay their visa.
    It does not stop the 20+% of illegals that arrive at checkpoints or are smuggled through them
    And it simply reroutes the 27% that remain
    It also does nothing to address the 10-20 million that are already here.

    An 18 foot wall will not stop an individual that has walked hundreds of miles and sold all of their possessions to get here. Only a fool could possibly think this. We need solutions not expensive bandaids — sure build the wall but treat the infection simultaneously at minimum.
     
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    Hahaha! Straight from the open borders crowd at the Cato Institute......sad.
     
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    Democrats lost senate seats because of partisian gerrymandering — the case is up before SCOTUS soon — and that Democrats we’re defending roughly double the number of seats that republicans were. In fact Democrats led Republicans by more than 12 million votes in Senate races.
     
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    People can't walk through a wall. So it will deture that. Not sure what else would be as effective as a wall.

    Takes two to tango. Democrats blew more money fighting the wall than Trump was asking.

    I know you won't think about that because, # orangemanbad.

    We still use walls, have you ever seen a building of any sort?

    no, it is an obstacle for crossing the boarder on foot
    Wait you me walls can't deport people?

    It would have cost less to build the wall then it did to fight it. Right now you have a more expensive nothing. Less expensive bandages could actually slow the hemorrhage.

    Slowing the hemorrhage is more effective than absolute nothing. It's cheaper too.
     
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    So did Republicans lose house seats because of gerrymandering or is it like everything else the Democrats believe, it's only wrong if it benefits the Republicans?
     
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    Every. Single. Policy. That I listed would be more effective than a partial wall.

    Republicans shut the government down and then refused to floor the same exact bill that their own party had previously passed. So you believe we should just throw money at a president because he demands something? Interesting.

    No, I have never seen a building that stretches thousands of miles and goes through numerous bodies of water. Care to point one out?

    Ok, we will simply agree to disagree.

    Btw, there is zero evidence that a partial wall will slow anything, it simply shifts their entry points.
     
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    I’m not a partisian hack like you are apparently becoming. Gerrymandering needs to be eliminated across the country regardless of who it benefits. The senate and the presidency skew right simply because of the way they are calculated and as a side effect so does SCOTUS — the house no longer has a proportional representation as it once had either.

    The presidency and the senate at least have the requirement as set fourth in the Constitution, partisian gerrymandering however is a blatant subversion of our democracy.
     
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    You didn't list a policy. So no nothing is not more effective than a wall.

    Better than throwing more at the house for being petty childish assclowns.

    Remember the shut down that could have been avoided by approving the money cost the government more then the amount Trump asked for.

    Apparently you think setting money on fire to stop big bad orange man is more useful than doing something productive.

    Since I didn't ask if you say a building that stretches thousands of miles I'll omit your pathetic strawman.

    Buildings have walls. And the walls are there to not only keep in air-conditioning but to stop trespassers.

    If walls didn't work for the most part none of our buildings would have them. So your position is retarded.


    I have absolute proof that it's more effective than Congress burning 1.5 billion more trowing their little hissy fit.

    At this point I'd support the wall simply out of spite.
     
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    The Great Wall of China v.2.

    Visible from outer space.

    I can't wait.
     
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    You aren't angry at the Democrats for wasting more money fighting Trump than what he asked for. That's so profoundly partisan hackery I almost turned inside out due to the sheer hypocrisy of your statement.

    I think it's great. It's how we security off idiots that vote for clowns like Maxine Waters from the less stupid among us.

    That's a conspiracy theory and a false one. It wasn't skewed right when Obama or Clinton won, nor when the house and Senate we majority Democrat.

    You're just complaining about it because Democrats aren't in power right now.

    Because Trump won. If a Democrat wins not a peep is heard about Gerrymandering.
     
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    I listed six actually.
    All supported by numerous immigration policy groups.

    Ok
     
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    I was angry that the government was shut down for any reason. The republicans shut it down before democrats had even a single chamber. And no, I will have to disagree that just giving a president whatever he wants because “he wants it” is not hypocrisy — if it’s not based on good policy it should be stopped.

    Of course you do. I am not surprised in the slightest. You support voiding large groups of voters opinion because they differ from your own. That isn’t democracy, that isn’t a constitutional federal representative democracy, it’s tyranny.

    It’s really not and can be proven by looking at electorial win / loss percentages as well as voting percentages vs representatives. But I suspect changing your narrative would be like that of having a discussion with a flat earther — unproductive.

    Incorrect

    I have been against gerrymandering since I found out what it was prior to Bush II second election, but keep grasping for straws.
     
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    i didn't see any.
     
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    but they just burned more than he wanted being petulant.

    nobody's vote is voided dont be absurd

    TRANSLATION:
    WAAAAA WAAAAA MY PARTY DIDN'T WIN SO NOW I WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES WAAAAAAAAA

    wow bushes presidency big suprise.
     
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    Thats strange seeing that you quoted in in post #6
     
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    I am not a Democrat so all of your rambling and childish retorts are meaningless to me. Gerrymandering absolutely voids peoples votes — it deems them irrelivant.

    They offered trump 1.3 billion and holding discussions on additional border security to which he and Mitch said no, keep the shutdown started under a Republican Congress going.

    Before bushes second term I was not involved with politics.
    I could barely name the president much less have an opinion on redistricting.

    Why are you acting like a child? You are (were) better than that.
     

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