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I believe fighter pilots.

You are not aware of what the air force did to Linda howe? It isn't a made up story but happened. Question is why would this happen? Quite unbelievable.

Why would they do that to her? A journalist. Messed her mind up IMO. Dark stuff.

 

Actually war of the worlds was written in 1898. Orson Wells ran it as a radio program in 1938. Its on you tube.

The films were late to the game.

 

What happened to Linda Moulton Howe and the Air Force? I have not heard of it.

 

In your opinion. I am interested in lab reports of 'implants' and 'trace evidence'
Google 'alien implants' and 'alien craft trace evidence.'



I know what science will say about human witnesses and photos. they will say it's not conclusive. We already know what they re saying about the Navy videos. "inconclusive". We got have credible witnesses of craft that defy known laws of physics and science says 'inconclusive'.

I might accept that teh 'tic tacs' are ours, but one thing is certain, they are real, and they are flying in a miraculous fashion.

Science won't be happy until one is captured, put in a museum, where everyone can walk up to it and touch the thing.

But That's never going to happen.

The government, I believe, has a few of them, and they are keeping them secret. Even if that isn't true, If there were captured craft, I sincerely doubt they would make them public, owing to national security concerns. so that kind of evidence will never happen.

I'm very familiar with all the photos associated withe belgium wave. I didn't mentioned the 'photo' did I? and the reason is that I wouldn't base an opinion on a photo like that.

this article states the case fairly well

https://theweek.com/articles/905215...-what-really-happened-during-belgian-ufo-wave

 

And again .... based on analysis of the recorded footage the 'tick tacks' are only about 4 meters long. Which means what? Itsy bitsy aliens?

 

P.S. I' ll believe 'aliens are among us' when you present one single shred of physical evidence supporting that contention. evidence of alien biological samples, samples of advanced materials or technology derived from landing or crash sites - in other words anything concrete. In other words something other than second had you tube videos of allegedly 'eye witness' first hand experiences.

Produce that, you got a 'sale'.

Otherwise let me tell you about the elves I met at my local park who said they searching for the holy grail in order to prevent it being used for malevolent purposes by the Rosicrucians. I believe them of course and therefore so should you.

 

What? Commander Faber who tried to cut it off would disagree! I need to see your evidence.

Yet 4 meters would house a 3 foot tall pilot. Right?

I think Faber said it was larger than that.

 

What about its ability to go from 60 thousand feet to sea level in around a second? What material could do that without coming apart? And what propulsion system can do this?

Gotta be those damned Russians!

Midget Russians.

 

A most bizarre story. She was allowed to meet with Richard Doty of the AF at Kirkland AB. I think in regards to the cattle mutilations she was reporting on for a TV station.

When she arrived she was put in a chair and handed a envelope with documents and was told to read but not copy. But it wasn't about the cattle.

It was a story about beings creating earthlings by genetic manipulation thousands of years ago. And other fantastic things.

So why would the AF do that? Its as weird as UFOs and claims of gray ETs.

 

Evey YOUR cite states that the picure is well know to be a hoax.

Yet you keep touting it.

If you totally insist on promoting known hoaxes, hoaxes that even the creators of the hoax admit was a hoax, then you have ZERO credibility.

I'd advise choosing some other direction - something a little more accommodating of the truth.

 

Well, one of the possibilities is that the government layers misinformation on different levels and all around in every thing so 1) they can track any leaks back to a source, and 2) give misinformation to any hackers or spies who break through security.

 

Thanks. I think the reaction to the radio program demostrated that the threat of little green men had been well established in the consciousness of the population by that time.

 

Who witnessed this event between her and the AF?

I don't know of any realm where claims of being shown secret douments is considered evidence.

The Nixon tapes, the Pentagon Papers, court cases against corporations that depend on papers stating corporate intent (or claimed interviews), evidence against Trump - our system depends on giving this kind of evidence credit AFTER it is made fully known.

And, there is very good reason for that.

 

Another possibility is that someone DID alter our DNA several hundred thousand years ago (800,000). I don't think much history has been uncovered more than 100,000 years ago. Which is how far back in history the history book I had went back to.

Of course, I don't think the aliens did it. I think we're part of a simulation and the Humans outside of the simulation, yes humans, decided to recreate a copy of their ancestors inside the simulation.

That doesn't include information about the inclusion of aliens in the simulation, but it could be that they developed during the formation-period of the simulated universe, when everything was sped-up.

 

As far as I know, only Richard Doty.. He has spoken of it post military service..

Looks like a psy ops to me.

But why? To cloud waters?

 

Yes, it's not really possible to know what's behind this.

Aliens (and we don't know crap about all of physics)?
People making assumptions without complete information, but having seen highly unusual phenomena - along with the desire many share in wanting there to be "others"out there, which is a topic of serious interest throughout science as well?
The military being fine with spreading doubts - causing opponents to have doubts about our capabilities?
The military concerned about divulging new technology, thus fine with crazy assumptions?
The reward of "fame" and possibly the challenge of providing "evidence" regardless of whether it is true?
The know human reaction that results in numerous reports when weird phenomena make the news, when criminal investigators put out a call for evidence, etc.

I'm sure there are others, and there are certainly cases involving various combinations of these.

The Belgian Wave photo was admitted to be a fake by the UFOlogists who created it. Yet, it got large numbers of confirming sightings from the public!

And, now we still have people pointing to that fake as evidence!!!

 

Thoughtful and interesting.

There is so much involved in UFOs. You mentioned some of it above..

Project Bluebook told us basically these UFOs are some kind of natural occurrence, like swamp gas, or its just a mistake. Nothing to see here so move along.

Now unless Howe is lying, Doty does the opposite and admits they exist. Lol

So that looks like disifo. It's incoherent with the long held position of our air force.

Hell just listen to what was told to Delong by our govt.

Is this a ploy to confuse our enemies? Russia and China?

My intuition or gut says no. I think the tic tac did what Faber said it did and it was matter not imagination. No way in hell is its technology from us. Too many scientists to keep that secret.

But I cannot say who made these craft. No evidence to determine identity.

And humans are notorious liars.

 

I entertain something similar. The physicist tom Campbell thinks our universe is a virtual reality . Created by a living computer outside of its creation.

 

This is another abject FAKE.

What Bob White found has been identified as a "stalagmite" of aluminum that results from grinding parts using old technology grinders. They don't get created anymore, because aluminum is too valuable to allow to be watested like that, plus the stalagmites can break off and harm machinery. Given that origin, it isn't particularly surprising that the metal was analyzed as being close to earthly aluminum, nor is it surprising that analysis of the metal didn't immueiately turn up its source, as those who analyze metal do THAT rather than research how an object might have been constructed.

So, that's your second abject fake touted by you as "evidence" with dramatic Youtube flare.

I know how much you hate sciece, but THIS is why science is particular about what is considered evidence of some conclusion.

 

First thing you got to do is quit putting words in my mouth.

well, it doesn't look like 'stalagmites' from old technology grinders, I've seen the two.



Let me see you explain this one

 

Analysis of "gofast" Navy video:



Was the object going fast? Nope.

Was there no Earthly explanatin? Nope.

Was there some unknown power source driving the object: Nope.

Did the Navy KNOW there was sound evidence that the object was NOT AN ALIEN OBJECT? ABSOLUTELY!!


Even so, UFOlogists want to believe that this particular video taken by a US Navy pilot is evidence of an alien craft!!

 

Simply finding something that isn't explained does not mean that there are aliens.

Besides, let's remember that ALL the militaries in the world are intensely interested in anything related to our ICBM capability. And, that goes for our own military, which is constantly testing every aspect of command and control as well as functionality.

Also, these sites are attractive to every yahoo who ever wanted to stick it to the man.

Until something more is found, what happened at these missile sights is unidentified, at least to the public.

Not having an explaination does NOT mean that there are aliens. It means there isn't a publicly known explanation. Or, it means there IS an explanation, but it's hard to find on the internet, or whatever.

 

That video of the 3 is the weakest. The tic tac is a horse of a different color..

The tilting craft came with far less info, the traditional saucer shaped craft. Yet it seemed to match what Lazar reported on the craft he saw at S.4. Tilted to propel.

That the tic tac jammed targeting radar so the jet could not lock on weapons is defense . Intelligence involved.



If we could display such performance in speed without sonic Booms, there is no way to keep this secret from thousands of scientists world wide. IMO. Where's the whistle blowers? And they would keep the secret for 70 years? Highly improbable IMO.

These magical looking craft exist. They are of matter. Unless holograms are matter . The kind of evidence is the same caliber of evidence that would take us to war with Russia. If they were in our combat training operations as we were training to deploy.

Demanding that we capture such craft or there isn't evidence is a ploy of denial.

The wooful conjecture involves the origin of these craft that are beyond our understanding and technology.

And this conjecture reads like sci fi. Long ago in the UFO Early Days, the aliens according to some charlatans hailed from Venus. I saw some old film of UFO nuts waiting in the desert to meet up with the aliens. So charlatans have always come with UFOs and aliens. And they gave us blond beautiful blue eyed Nordics, but also monsters like 2 kinds of black eyed grays, tall Mantis looking aliens and even reptilians that can shape shift. All seem to be telepathic even when we are not, yet without using our language they can relay ideas to us. Wouldn't we have to be telepathic too? Lol

I can't buy the telepathy given we use language and not telepathy. We couldn't receive their telepathy! Of course telepathy gets rid of the language hurdle, right? But creates other problems.

BTW, the NYT story suffered some retractions on that UFO reporting. By Blumenthal and Keane.

I think the Wilson story involving that physicist is another hoax.. Just like MJ 12.

IMO 90 percent of UFO and alien lore and beliefs are good, creative sci fi, life imitating art.

I think sci fi predated ufology and people pulled ideas from sci fi . At least when it comes to aliens and their agendas.

It manifested in groups like Appleton's Heavens Gate cult. And their mass suicide so they could join the aliens in their craft located in the tail of the hale bop comet!

If you want to meet some new age believers and some weird people attend a UFO conference. You can't separate the new age beliefs from ufology. They have melded together. I experienced this melting together.

I was studying various religions in the late 60s and early 70s. Especially eastern mysticism and even Christian mysticism. Sometimes as you would get new books on the mysticism they might include telepathy, and even channelling and crystals!


UFOs were more nuts and bolts instead of new age ideas. Then it began to bring in new age ideas. And you get people like Greer, who know the truth and communicate with wonderful space brothers via meditation. He is a go between, giving himself authority. He even says he briefs presidents and Intel officials!

Does this scenario look familiar? The ETs vicar for humanity?

Such people have helped to keep the reality of UFOs in the ridicule and snicker category. Msm promoted the attitude and people like Greer and other Messiahs aided msm and our air force.

Would the air force admit they were powerless to protect our air space from superior craft not of earthly origin?

So do a study whose outcome was already set to dismiss the existence of these more powerful craft of unknown origin. IMO that defines Blue Book.

We can't handle being powerless, nor the reality of other beings. The bookings institute studied it and said as much, threatening social order..

So if you can't always dupe the public forever you can like boiling a frog gradually introduce the fact of UFO reality. Slowly condition us to a extraordinary reality. Except those who already believe in aliens! Yet may not have a clue as to what these things are..lol

My own conjecture is that these intelligence driven things are observers, watchers, and are written about in ancient texts. And seldom interact on a personal, individual level. And don't want personal interaction. If they wanted us to know much about them, landing in cities and informing us would have happened.

Of course some claim abduction but the kidnappers make sure no physical evidence , like an ET trinket ever shows itself. So its just a story told by people. With most memory of it requiring hypnosis . lol. So the ETs can't beat hypnosis! I find this suspect.

Yet the abduction of that dude on the forestry crew with witnesses who passed polygraphs looks genuine. But no hard evidence.

So I don't believe all of these claims of abduction. Instead I lean towards something like a natural DMT dump given our body makes DMT..People on DMT can experience aliens and other beings ..And most abductions occur at night in bed. So DMT dumps happen mostly at night in and out of sleep. Conjecture of course. But more plausible than abduction.

Well, all over the map here. I.was 70 years old before I saw a UFO. And then 3 years ago saw another one at my sisters home while conversing about the navy gun camera film in 2017.

My sister said she was looking at a star as big as Venus.. She pointed it out. To the right of a tall tree in the east , stationary . And having spent lots of time looking at starry nights in the country and once an amateur astronomer since age 11 when I got a refractor telescope for Xmas. Anyways I noticed it was twice the size of Venus. I watched it in amazement for several minutes. Well my sis said it isn't moving, just sitting there. She barely got this expressed when it started moving to the left towards the tree top. Took about 5 seconds to vanish behind the tree..So she says it read our minds.

What was it? A UFO of course. A super sized Venus that sit in the sky for many min. And then moved away out of view. No sound. No flashing lights..

But my first sighting took place bout 3 years before that. And not just a distant light in the night sky. But was within a quarter mile distance about 30 degrees above the horizon . Consisting of red jeweled lights . My first thought was 3 towers with red lights on top had somehow been erected since last night! 1 1/2 miles from my home! So I pulled into a store on the corner and parked facing the line of red lights. Trying to figure out what these lights were a part of. Not new towers that's for sure.

But here's the weird part. I don't know how long I stared at them. Time got foggy. And my state of mind was absorbed by these jewel like lights. Losing the sense of passive time.

My normal mode of behavior would have me telling my wife about what I just saw, yet once I got home, I didn't tell my wife about it nor anyone else . Until around 8 months later. When the memory of that event suddenly happened. I then told anyone who would listen!

As time has passed I have wondered if it really happened questioning my ability to discern reality. Given my ordinary consciousness was on vacation for however long I sat in my car oggling and being absorbed by those red lights a quarter mile away. As I had pulled in the lot to park facing the object, there were 3 teens out of their car pointing to those line of lights..

My reaction was nontypical of me that night. Much of that experience was incoherent to me looking back. To the point I question it today. Did it really happen? I don't tend to dream during sleep or can't remember dreams. Nor am I a day dreamer. So it is a mystery to me. I wasnt on any drug nor alcohol.

My normal behavior would involve driving up under the object and getting a closer look and different perspective!. Yet I didn't do that. I missed the only chance I will ever have in investigating a UFO given how close it was.Wtf?

Its like being that close to it literally messed with ordinary consciousness! Like giving an animal a tranquilizer ..

 

Ah I recall that cone of metal and it being identified as ours. So another common hoax involving UFOs .

Its obvious you only get a Pearl in the big Pile of B S . of ufology, every now and then. Yet those pearls exist. Yet the smell if BS overwhelms the light illuminating the pearl.

At my age I won't live to see the truth of these craft. IMO. Whatever reality it turns out to be. I feel cheated! Lol Never seeing a great mystery solved.

 

I think we need more evidence about ETs before I think these creators of these craft are space men.

Yet I don't think we have the tech of these craft so who does? And all we have is conjecture.

I saw Commander Frabor debunk the debunkers in regards to the tic tac he tried to cut off and get closer. He experienced that one. And he went through and explained the readouts of instrument numbers in regards to the tic tac and saucer as well as how the saucer was not a turning jet. Who would know better than a debunker? Lol How bout a combat pilot?