Pentagon Has ‘Off-World Vehicles Not Made on This Earth’

Just a reminder that just because you see something in the sky, that doesn't mean it's alien spacecraft.

 

In another post, you commented that you think stuff about antigravity would be shared across the scientific community.

That's not how security, i . e., 'need to know' compartmentalized classified stuff works.

A good thorough understanding of this is given by Stan Freidman, please read this, this should thoroughly disabuse you of this belief:

Here, Friedman is debunking a debunker, but that isn't the point, if you read this, you will understand why what you said is simply not the case
when it comes to classified info, as anything to do with 'anti-gravity' because it can be weaponized and could fall into the hands of our enemies, simply
will NEVER be shared across the scientific community. It is also why pilots do not know that the tic tacs actually belong to the navy. ( how do I know it? The navy filed to public patents for anti-gravity devices. However, it has been established that they do not work, nor cannot work. So, the question is, why did they do this? I surmise that it is the Navy's way of alluding to the fact that the tic tacs are ours, and they are not coming right out and admitting it, they filed bogus patents as a way to 'hint' that the tic tacs are ours. this is also corroborated by McCandlish and Turber, who knew people 'in the know'. The only reason I believe it is because, first, they had no reason to lie, and I find them credible, as people. You, of course, might not.).

http://www.roswellfiles.com/storytellers/FriedmanResponse.htm

 

Need I remind you that sprites do not behave according to...

The five observables, things that UFOs have been observed to have and/or do (list courtesy of Louis Elizondo, former head of the Navy's AATIP Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program program):

1) Anti-gravity lift
Unlike any known aircraft, these objects have been sighted overcoming the earth’s gravity with no visible means of propulsion. They also lack any flight surfaces, such as wings. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses describe the crafts as tubular, shaped like a Tic Tac candy.

2) Sudden and instantaneous acceleration
The objects may accelerate or change direction so quickly that no human pilot could survive the g-forces—they would be crushed. In the Nimitz incident, radar operators say they tracked one of the UFOs as it dropped from the sky at more than 30 times the speed of sound. Black Aces squadron commander David Fravor, the Nimitz-based fighter pilot who was sent to intercept one of the objects, likened its rapid side-to-side movements, later captured on infrared video, to that of a ping-pong ball. Radar operators on the USS Princeton, part of the Nimitz carrier group, tracked the object accelerating from a standing position to traveling 60 miles in a minute—an astounding 3,600 miles an hour. According to manufacturer Boeing, the F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jet typically currently reaches a maximum speed of Mach 1.6, or about 1,200 miles an hour.

3) Hypersonic velocities without signatures (your 'sprite' appears to have signatures, lighting bolts, etc)
If an aircraft travels faster than the speed of sound, it typically leaves "signatures," like vapor trails and sonic booms. Many UFO accounts note the lack of such evidence.

4) Low observability, or cloaking
Even when objects are observed, getting a clear and detailed view of them—either through pilot sightings, radar or other means—remains difficult. Witnesses generally only see the glow or haze around them.

5) Trans-medium travel
Some UAP have been seen moving easily in and between different environments, such as space, the earth’s atmosphere and even water. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses described a UFO hovering over a churning "disturbance" just under the ocean's otherwise calm surface, leading to speculation that another craft had entered the water. USS Princeton radar operator Gary Vorhees later confirmed from a Navy sonar operator in the area that day that a craft was moving faster than 70 knots, roughly two times the speed of nuclear subs.

Does this describe 'sprites' ? Uhh....no.

Nice try.

 

Not surprisingly, you totally missed my point.

 

It's not that Mick "knows better". And, I'm not interested in disputing what the pilots claim they saw. I'm sure they reported what they saw to the best of their ability.

But, that doesn't mean that their interpretation of what they saw is real. Like the go fast video, the pilots reported what they saw. And, it WAS what they saw. It's just that human vision and our brains aren't good enough to do better. There are all sorts of similar illusions that take place.

When the radar can't lock onto the object, there is a reason for that. And, one of the primary reasons is that the object is not within the range that the radar is set to examine. The very fact that the radar HAS such settings is a demonstration of the importance of the setting. It's more than likely that the pilot sets the range, based on other information, and that setting matched what the pilot saw, but not what was actually the case.

I have no idea what "agenda" you think this guy had. If you think it is "fame and glory", I'd point out that he would get FAR more attention by promoting the "UFO" theory. Debunkers get nothing.

 

That code indicated that the radar failed to find the object.

The REO may have had other information. I have not heard of that in this case.

 

It could have been a point, but your 'point' was negated by your example, hence my secondary point, which you missed.

 

UFOs and anything remotely associated with it has been a major hot potato among scientists. Overall, science just shrugs it's shoulders when UFOs are mentioned, they don't want much to do with the subject because of the stigma.
UFOs defy our known physics, they have been reported for decades, but because they are UFOs, science won't even bother to look unless you get one to land on the white house lawn, and they, apparently, are not interested doing something like that.

I've heard of Reptilians, Mantids and Nordic looking creatures which are very commonly observed among the vast majority of abductees. And it was so before the Communion book came out. They are really the only source for our knowledge of them. So, it all depends on whether or not they are to be believed, but one might wonder why they all mysteriously are reporting the same thing.

As for 'shape shifting' I've not seen any evidence of it if. Abductees commonly describe aliens screening, projecting mental images, making abductees see things that are not there, including seeing a different looking alien, even making them appear human, but that doesn't mean anyone else in the room is going to see it, it's a mental projection, the alien itself doesn't actually shape shift.

We only use 10% of our brains. Aliens know how to switch this capability in humans on, just enough that aliens can communicate to us, and we back.
There is some psychic bleed, insofar as after an abductee has been sent back to his or her place from which they were abducted, so it might continue, for a while, with some mild psychic ability; able to read minds, that sort of thing, but it fades. This tells me we all have this potential, but it is dormant. They know how to switch it on, temporarily.

What makes you think Maj 12 is a hoax?

that's it, group all UFO enthusiasts into one big looney bin. Nice.

Oh, but you can, and I do. I don't have prisms and crystals hanging in my bedroom window, or anywhere.

As did I, but the only books that I found compelling were the one by Ramana Marharshi and Lao Tzu, where none of that stuff is present in their writings.
You have to develop the ability to discern.

After reading the works of Budd Hopkins, Dr. David Jacobs, Jim Sparks, and Yvonne Smith, the one glaring fact remains, that Aliens have an agenda, and it has a lot to do with creating alien/human/hybrids that look like us, and are indistinguishable from us The vast majority of abductees report aliens removing sperm from males, and ova from females, and in some cases, were even shown their offspring, in various stages of alien/human development, were shown alien/human/hybrid incubatoriums ( stacks of aquarium looking containers with alien/human/hybrid fetus, very X files - ish)
It sounds crazy, but that's what is being testified to, in a grand chorus as if there were only one conductor, all under hypnosis. You should read their works, it's rather astounding. No crystals, no new agey types, those I ignore.

Unless you physically alter or damage the brain, memories can be retrieved. Fortunately, the aliens do not want to, intentionally or otherwise, want to hurt us. I find your statement, therefore, making an assumption. It's not a good idea to make assumptions regarding aliens, if you are basing your belief or disbelief entirely upon them.

It seem very clear to me, given all the testimonies from abductees, that the alien agenda is being conducted in a grand, clandestine, manner.
they do not want to be known, what they are up to.

No, I don't know that to be true. But if only 1/4 occurred while driving, and many abductions occur while driving (To wit: Betty and Barney Hill ) it would disprove your theory, anyway, and when people are imagining things, they don't collectively image the same damn thing, over and over and over again. I took LSD, mushrooms, and never saw any aliens.

Why are you so resistant to the idea of abductions? See, it's only 'fantastic' from your human point of view. What are the odds that we, human, so small, so new to technology and the vast wonders of the universe, are getting it right? Widen your scope, widen your radar, open your mind ( without letting the crazies take over, as well). You seem to be unable to separate wheat from chaff.

Well, try not doubting yourself.

IF there are trillions of planets with intelligent life, what are the odds some are super advanced, and have mastered physics far beyond our comprehension? What is so fantastic about them wanting to visit us? To me, it's no more fantastic than we going to Africa to study animals, capture them, conquer the unconquered territories.

what is so fantastic about it? I don't get you at all. You doubt yourself even when it's presented to you. I'm 69 and i have never seen a UFO and it seem very plausible to me.

 

Let me dumb down my point so that even you will get it this time: Lights in sky no mean aliens.

 

Interesting post.

On believing people are abducted , without evidence, nope I can't do that.

Plus sci fi wrote about human and alien interaction before abduction claims.

All it took was the Hill family story and suddenly others were getting abducted. The stories built on one another. Most time hypnosis is used.

I don't believe its happening nor they are among us as they monkey with DNA and create hybrids.

Truth is there is so little that I know . But there is enough evidence to support UFOs are real. And they belong in sci fi given the technology.

Who built these craft and their origin is not known. Evidence cannot back up claims. And imaginations soar! With much borrowed from sci fi.

What changes my mind is simple. Real evidence. Humans love to tell stories. We have a long history of that. So you can't trust them.

Next time an abduction happens.take your phone and video it. Indeed film the entire experience.

 

Here's what was NOT reported in the Betty and Barney story:

That aliens were taking sperm from males, and ova from females, yet every abduction testimony under hypnosis tells this, and Barney, years later, testified that the only reason he omitted it from the published version ( including that of the book ) was that he was embarrassed about it.

Explain that one, please.

It's not that other's copy catted, it's that that is approximately when the the bulk of abductions began. Before Barney and Betty, there were reports, but it was sparce.

Dr. David Jacobs, a specialist in this type of hypnosis, tells us that, in early sessions, there is considerable 'confabulation', but confab fades and truth grows stronger, in subsequent sessions, and he's installed controls to minimize confab, and he knows how to recognize it because confab constantly changes, while the factual events grow clearer and stronger.

Don't think for a minute someone highly specialized in this type of hypnosis isn't aware of it's pitfalls, and hasn't developed methods to minimize it.

This idea that the thousands of testimonies under hypnosis are copying and riding on the Barney and Betty bandwagon, once you look at how ordinary most of these folks are, it just doesn't make sense that they are copying anyone, there testimonies are real, heart braking, people under hypnosis scream in terror. You should study the subject more before you render such an opinion.

 

John Mack and his subject appeared on Oprah Winfrey, and his session was taped, listen.

 

Abductees have set up video cameras, hoping to tape their abductions.

After being abducted, the only thing the film showed was them, while asleep, getting up and turning it off just before they were abducted.

During abductions in cars, anything electronic, including the car, is switch offed by the tractor beam the UFO emits.

See, what you fail to realize is that they are doing this clandestinely, and are well aware of recording devices.

Many testimonies by abductees tell us that aliens can neurologically engage with abductees, and, as such, are helpless to resist their commands.

Thus, the aliens were aware of the recording device, and commanded the subject to turn the device off. they do not want us to know what they are doing, they are operating clandestinely.

The only way they can be filmed or recorded as at a sufficient distance from the craft where their tractor beams will have no effect.

Put all of your objections and doubts into one post, so I can handle each and every one of them, as I've discovered there is a compelling counter argument to all of them.

This also explains why, out of the many photos we see of alien craft, given their distance, they are grainy ( that's the best a cell phone can do ) and aliens are not about to let anyone take a close up of one. If you were part of a federation of aliens whose agenda was planetary conquest, certainly you would be operating clandestinely, and have thought of such things.

If you were a professional photographer ( as I am ) one could rent an 800mm telephoto lens ( very expensive ) or pay $11k for one, sit on a mountain top, camera on tripod, and hope someday an alien craft will come into your lens's view, but since they don't happen that often, one could spend years doing that, and most nature photographers are not looking for space ships, they are shooting animals and nature for national geographic, etc. Not many people have such an expensive rig.

 

Humans copy others from fashion to tales of abduction. Even killers will copy cat.

I have studied it. I just don't buy it. That would change with actual evidence. Humanity has a tendency to just make up stuff. In case you haven't noticed.

Hypnosis is a suspect state of consciousness.. And most abduction depend on it. Most happen while the person is in bed.

How anyone would depend upon tales for evidence is what I don't get. I don't think sane people get abducted.

So what cases of abduction came before the Hill case? Outside of sci fi?

 

Well, there's a story floating about that the U.S. Calvery encountered aliens in a cave in 1909.

 

And that English village that was kidnapped by aliens in the middle ages. Why isn't that brought up? Conspiracy maybe?

 

Another story? Lol

During rendezvous fur traders had a big party . Lots of drinking and the telling of tall tales. My fav involved the glass mountain. The hunter saw an elk that looked to be close but was actually 100 miles away! Glass magnified it!

 

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I have listened to so many accounts over the years. Look Half Puthoff the physicist believed Uri Geller could bend spoons with his mind. Then johnny Carson showed Geller to be a fraud..

You think an educated man can't be a fool? Look at D.C.!​

 

So aliens are like gods? That is harder to believe in. Odd how their powers are so unbelievable.

And so , no hard evidence, you got nothing but stories. In order to explain away the lack of evidence you must give these aliens tremendous powers.

Steve Bassett says the sheer numbers of so called abductees is hard evidence. Lol. His processor has crashed. That dog won't hunt.

You are not skeptical about such tales. When you should be. But lots of gullible people in this religion. Aliens replaced gods.

 

You're correct, but that fact is actually not in question because we're talking about an ordinary person experiencing terror under hypnosis, not the display of a highly skilled parlor magician fooling the best of them. If that person was 'not ordinary' and were a 'skilled actor', only then your fact would be more pertinent ( it could still hold true, of course, but that is not what we have here. ) We have hundreds, nay, thousands of testimonies of very ordinary people from all walks of life pretty much telling the same, terror riddled, tale.

You need to understand 'discernment'. In hypnosis, 'confabulation' ( stuff subjects imagine ) never has 'terror' attached, and details are always changing. When factual events are being recalled, details grow clearer, and emotions swell owing to real events.

Discernment, the ability to distinguish, as opposed to 'conflation', or the inability to discern, distinguish.

 

There are no 'gods' but there are advanced more highly evolved races of beings doing things which are, to them, very normal, but to us, almost magical.

The North American and South American natives thought that the Conquistadors were 'Gods', and to them, they were, but of course, they weren't, really.

The same holds true. Aliens are NEVER going to give us 'hard evidence' until after they have conquered us. That is the gist of all the testimonies I've examined thus far. All there is is compelling, but not hard, evidence. There never will be hard evidence. You are ignoring the compelling fact that subjects under hypnosis, particularly during the 80s, when this fact was never published, are telling us that aliens are collecting sperm from males, and ova from females. During the 80s before and immediately after Betty and Barney, that fact was not made known, publicly because they were embarrased to tell it ( that I can tell,feel free to prove me wrong ) but Jacobs, Mack, & Hopkins, tell us, that subjects under hypnosis pretty much told this very tale, almost every single one of them. THAT, is compelling evidence. No, it's not 'hard' evidence, but it IS compelling.

Sure, there are gullible people, there are crazy people, and then there is the government fogging the landscape with disinformation.

I choose not to conflate the buried, but compelling evidence, not tossing the baby with the bathwater, as it were.

There more reasons why it is compelling, which is explained in two books by Dr, David Jacobs, "Walking Among Us" and "The Threat".

Give 'em a read. They are both available on Kindle, cheap.

And UFology is not a lucrative profession, they are not 'raking it in' with these books. Jacobs and Hopkins do not charge for their hypnosis sessions, and they've done thousands of them, over the years.

 

Fraber was tracking the tic tac by eyes. Please listen to his account.

BTW the film was not Fraber but the other set of pilots. Once the craft left Fraber it went to the next location that Fraber was supposed to go. He went back to ship while another set of pilots flew to check out the craft. Radar said it was there. And it was. But once they got there and tried to lock on they were jammed. As voiced by the pilot. You need to understand the facts instead of throwing stuff again st the wall.lol

You have combat data from state of the art instruments and 4 Eye witness accounts spanning two occasions minutes apart. From the highest trained fighter pilots. That you won't accept .

Professional debunkers are not critical minded. They always debunk . lol And his evidence isn't close to the data on the tic tac nor the Gimbel. According to the expert Fraber. But obviously you only listen to mick. And his weak argument. He is a shyster. With the motive to debunk. But he didn't debunk the most important one. The tic tac shared nothing in common with the Chilean craft. Yet he said it did. Tic tac never showed an exhaust trail . Huge difference.

 

Don't you find it suspect that Jacobs gets the evil ETs abductees while the other guy gets the good ETs, our space brothers? These abductees choose the person to regress. If they think they are evil they go to Jacobs. If good they go to the other.

Geography of the abductee is also a variable. West...space brothers and new age, East...evil ETs invading us with hybrids that can control us with godly powers.

Sounds like a place for a psychological study instead of ET study.

 

I saw an actor with Mack. And someone craving attention. I once saw a guy cry as he told tales of losing a friend in Nam. It pissed me off so badly I beat him down in group therapy. He never was even in the military much less in Vietnam! Yet tears ran down his face! Acting and apparently had psycho problems just as abductees have. You ever go to a UFO conference? Lol Attracts troubled people like flies to watermelon!

 

That's right. Angels and demons. With godly powers.