People Who Refuse To Donate Their Organs Should Be Banned From Recieving One

If someone is opposed to charitable donation, and is not a paying federal taxes and has no intention of becoming a taxpayer, why should they be permitted to accept welfare from another person?
Is this an example of taking but giving nothing in return?

And isn't it hypocritical to refuse to donate your own money to support someones life style, but be okay with taking someone else's money to support your own?

 

MMMmmmmm....do I spot a contradiction....... If the person was perfectly healthy..... he/she would be rather silly to offer up organs!!!

But what about the doctors being prosecuted for stealing organs?
And they have all the information on the register to match paying patients! As has been the case in Israel recently, when Palestinians have been killed for there organs!

Aye its good to hide ones head in the sand..... convenient when making uninformed decisions!

Regards
Highlander
PS. I am on the Anthony Nolan register for bone marrow donation and donate white cells when asked or blood six monthly.

 

That's right up there with tax evasion, using charities to avoid paying tax, making money from the populace but not wanting to formally contribute to the infrastructure, taking profit but not wanting to contribute anything to society at all etc etc etc

Of course that is all off topic here.

On topic, my brother may need a kidney transplant if his condition worsens enough, but they won't use mine because I had a DVT 10 years ago and that predisposes me to being high risk if I ever have an op.

Personally, I'd take the risk. But I know they won't.

On the up side, if I ever need an op I'll probably croak before they can install a donor organ Mak, so it's unlikely I'll get anything I can't give.

I don't know if I agree with the OP. People can have various reasons for not wanting to donate and who am I to say they are all to be judged.

 

same here i will never donate because the black market makes millions from organs and when a physician is tempted with that much money in a materialistic society as this its not worth the risk

 

Of course it happens..... just look at the internet, look under Zionist killing and stealing body part from Palestinians who had been arrested by police.

Or in India or in Pakistan or in South Africa....etc etc etc!

Regards
Highlander

 

This is a complete falsehood as the system is set up so that the doctors who are initially taking care of the patient are NOT the ones subsequently involved in the organ harvest. In fact, in a smaller community hospital, that does not have a transplant program, the surgeons from the hospital where the transplant will take place, actually come to the smaller hospital to harvest the donor's organs. In the case of a heart, the transplanting surgeon ALWAYS goes to the hospital the donor is at to recover the heart and the take it back to where the patient receiving it is waiting. Because of time constraints (a heart MUST be transplanted with in 4 hours) it is like a well choreographed dance. And yes, I have participated in heart transplants. And kidneys and livers. All are done at my hospital. I have also participated in quite a few harvests as well.

In order for a patient to be pronounced brain dead, it is required for 2 licensed physicians (usually one of them has to be a neuro specialist) to pronounce the patient dead in the first place.

 

Also there is no "blackmarket" for organs in the US. UNOS - United Network for Organ Sharing- tightly controls all of the organs that are transplanted in this country. They decide who is sick enough, too sick, not sick enough by assigning people scores. Then local procurement agencies work under them to actually handle the day to day procurements and matches.

 

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/08/20/israel-trade-in-palestinian-body-parts-t

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jul/28/sperm-egg-donors
Body organs stolen....
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/0...silent-police-brutality-america/#.UDFl7iqF-Pg

http://publications.milliman.com/research/health-rr/pdfs/2011-us-organ-tissue.pdf

And its all about the money they can make off those organs they can get there hands on! Legally or illegally!

If I had more time I could find many examples of this disgusting practices.

Burke and hare would take there hats of to these parasites in the medical profession!

Regards
Highlander

 

Obamacare probably deals with it.

 

What about me? I had a blood born bacterial infection that nearly killed me and damaged all my internal organs. I'm not a donor for that reason, should I be denied?

 

You did not make yourself sick, and it is not your fault you cannot be a donor. I have no issue with you getting an organ if you needed it.

 

None of this would be an issue if people were simply free to sell their organs. No one asks, "Why should people who grow food and refuse to donate it be allowed to receive food of their own?" or "Should we have a presumption that whenever anyone dies his food is donated unless he gets a card to opt out?" Do you know why? Because people are allowed to sell their food! Why, what a novel idea; if you give them something for it instead of force them to donate it for free, they'll be more likely to donate it. Oh, but no, that makes us feel icky; better that people die instead.

Any talk about organ donations that doesn't involve letting people sell them is a waste of time and breath.

 

And what if you destroy a life in the womb.....?

Highlander

 

But then .... you may have a parasitic outlook!

And wouldn't understand the difference!

Regards
Highlander

 

It may be a moot point as I imagine individuals opposed to organ transplant are opposed to receiving them, too. Hard to say. So many seem to believe that doctors routinely ignore their Hippocratic Oath and allow patients to die so they can harvest the organs and profit, it's possible many refuse to donate their organs based on this belief.

Incidentally, nobody holding this belief has ever been able to explain to me how it is doctors directly profit from allowing patients to die and harvesting their organs. It makes a weird, perverse kind of sense in the US, where medicine is fully privatised-for-profit and about making a buck, but it makes no sense anywhere else where medicine is a single payer (the government) public service paid for by the taxpayer.

 

I have no problems giving every organ in (or on) my body to save others. I choose not to give pre-authorization to harvest my organs because I want my family to have that decision just in case some doctor wants to jump the gun and give up on me prematurely.

 

To take a page from the abortion argument, it is my body and the government should not be able to tell me what to do with it while I am alive. Sucks when your own arguments are thrown in your face...So is abortion selfish in your opinion?

 

You seem to think organ donation is a charity. It is not, it is a business in which every person involved gets paid - except the donor and his/her family. If you want to solve any shortage of organs, pay the donor.

In the USA, its illegal to sell your own organs, and its a scam. The doctors, hospitals, transportation companies, insurance companies, all get paid. But often the people who most need the money are the family of the deceased, yet they get nothing.