Perspectives Perspectives on Stillbirth and Late Termination of Pregnancy for Fetal Anomalies

There have been a lot of false and hyperbolic posts on this subject

Here is one research paper covering this topic

https://journals.lww.com/anesthesia...ting_the_Unexpected___Perspectives_on.26.aspx

So let me throw it out to the forum. A close friend/relative tells you that they have just discovered that the much yearned for pregnancy has gone terribly wrong and the baby has a fatal abnormality

 

It does depend how severe, what type of abnormality, and how far into the pregnancy it is.

When you're talking about fatal abnormalities, that kind of sounds like killing the baby ahead of schedule because you're pretty sure it will probably die in the future.

 

Stillbirth, if it's already dead, I don't see any inherent moral issue. Other than perhaps dignity of the body, but that's only if you're talking about something other than an induced labor abortion.

 

We are all going to die. We are all born with life ending abnormality. How long that takes is not known. But being killed because someone thinks they have the estimation that someone may only live for a few minutes outside the womb is murder. There have been countless stories about a baby being predicted to not survive, yet still grows to adulthood and is successful. There are other stories of the baby only surviving for the few minutes. But it is always alive since conception and killing it because of your choice is worse than killing someone over a robbery. The baby has no defenses and is the most vulnerable. If I was born today, I would have been considered to have a "terminal life altering abnormality" with my heart. If my mother was this kind of infanticide liberal, I would be killed.

 

And would you keep a baby doomed to die alive by any means possible no matter how futile?

Which is better

To have medical staff poke holes in the wee thing, put tubes in its nose and mouth inject dripug after drug only to see it die anyway or let the mother and father hold the baby, sing to it and cuddle and comfort it as it passes peacefully?

 

Baby k lived 18 months

Would you put every infant with that condition through the same?

 

Sure, let it pass peacefully, without assistance. I never said it should be kept alive any way possible, but intentionally feeding it a drug to kill it is MURDER. With holding medical treatment is not, just like a DNR is not murder, or religious beliefs against blood transfusion isn't murder.

 

Can their organs be used for transplants? <Rule 2/3>

 

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How do you know it would pass "peacefully" without assistance?

 

You're not God.

You do not have the right to decide who lives and who dies.

 

Yeah, we should kill it just in case.

 

No, I didn't post that.

But if it's going to die why not make it easier and lessen any pain it may be suffering? Are you against that?

 

"God" doesn't decide who lives or dies....

 

You mean like the pain they experience being aborted?

It's not up to you to decide who's life is worth living.

Many people with deformities, such as Down's, go on to lead productive, happy lives.

<Rule 2>

 

No, like the pain they may be suffering due to the illness or deformities, the reasons they WILL die.

I NEVER said it was up to me.....it isn't up to you either.

Down's isn't a gross, life threatening deformity

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No, you don't know they will die.

Nearly 20% of diagnosis are either completely wrong or misclassified as-is.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/diagnosing-congenital-birth-defects-2371407

Oh it is up to me to defend life. You don't seem interested.

I'm not the one intervening to end life.

Yet Down's is used to justify abortion.

But then, this argument isn't really about the 3% or so of children born with birth defects.

What this is about is justifying the lefts desire to kill unborn, and now apparently just-born, children for any reason they want.

This entire thread is garbage reasoning to begin with.

 

No, I don't since I am not privy to another's medical condition. However, the doctors are....and they advise the woman.....it is completely out of YOUR hands

Then end all wars.

What I seem to you is totally irrelevant.

I do believe in rights.

Me neither

Only to you.....

 

Keep pretending that "on demand" abortion isn't the darling of leftists.

We're not falling for it.

 

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No, I don't since I am not privy to another's medical condition. However, the doctors are....and they advise the woman.....it is completely out of YOUR hands


Then end all wars.

What I seem to you is totally irrelevant.

I do believe in rights.

Me neither



Only to you.....

Noted that you could not address anything in my post

(BTW, you fell for it )

 

Feel free to strut around the chessboard.

 

Fair enough. One baby may live up to 6 months, but will require extensive care and will be in constant pain. Before you call her a murderer, will you take over that responsibility and care for the baby?

 

Do you?

Who said I am setting up myself as the decider?

I am advocating that we back off and allow those interested and knowledgeable about the facts of the case to make the decisions. In other words the medical staff and the relatives

 

Who said they are going to inject drugs? But you have a problem in America as the precedent was set with Baby K

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_K

 

Do not pretend that punishing women and driving up the maternal and infant mortality rate is not on the right wing agenda

 

Did you READ your link?

This is why repeat ultrasounds and amniocentesis is done