Peter Dutton, white farmers yes, war refugees no....

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  1. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Here we go again,
    white farmers in South Africa should be helped, while war refugees trying to reach our soil can rot in hell holes.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-...a-to-help-white-south-african-farmers/9550050

    against:

    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-refugees-on-manus-as-dutton-confirms-closure

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/false-h...-on-refugee-advocates-as-manus-centre-cleared

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...a/news-story/1f6d01a47f02acd9d4cbbf0a3d521128


    Of course this means a double standard, from an elite white true blue Aussie bloke standing up for what he and his colleagues stand for and believe in, namely a true blue Aussie nation. Nothing has changed, it is always the same with Liberals and the Nationals.
    I bet Dutton would get a brilliant job if he would be part of Trump's New America.
    Watch the space, Adolf Hitler's values/thoughts/ethics are just getting a new lease of life, almost reborn.......
    Reg.
     
  2. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Double standard, yes. But who else is offering to take those farmers in?

    Besides, if we're talking about assimilation, you know which group is going to assimilate into Australian society better.

    Oh, there's one more thing. Australia doesn't need any more foreign people coming and crowding into the big cities. That's just going to drive up the cost of living even more. At least with these farmers there's a good chance they're going to try to take up agriculture or ranching in the rural areas, of which Australia has plenty. Maybe Australia should pass a law barring refugees from taking up residence in the big in-demand cities, since there are acute housing shortages already.
     
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    Gross stupidity from Dutton. However it tells us a little more about his character. I think he may lose his seat at the next election. As the sign says, when Biloela is against you, you're stuffed.
     
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    I don't know if you're aware, but farmers have it fairly tough. Some of them are selling out, as dairy farmers have. I'd be surprised if white migrants would take up the challenge of farming in Australia. A fair bit of capital is required to start up a farm.
     
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    Yes we are destroying any agriculture with our spending priorities
     
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    I think the problem can be solved at once when the white Afrikaner minority is allowed to be resettled in Australia, who will be the best fit for Australia's rural farming communities, working as farm hands. It's estimated that 400,000 white Afrikaners are currently living in squatter camps and white Afrikaners are culturally very similar to white Aussies, making it very easy to integrate them. This is very similar to Africa's Asian communities which had been moved to Britain in the 1960s because Africans pressured them to emigrate. Britain is full but Australia still has plenty of room for the entire white Afrikaner community to be resettled.

     
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    Dutton is excrement, but I have no issue at all with this idea.

    Let's not be freaking Sweden, eh? Let's be Japan.
     
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    Not the point. At ALL. Just saying :)
     
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    Who are they applying to for refugee status? Statistically they are much less likely to get killed than non-white Sth Africans and the change to the constitution allowing land seizure has yet to be made. Are they any more worthy of refugee status than other South Africans at this time?

    Zimbabwean farmers moved all over Africa, to North America & Europe as well as Australia. No reason Sth African farmers can't do the same.

    There are a number of African nations where homosexuality is not only illegal, but punishable by death. Care to advocate for that community to be given 'fast track' refugee status.

    In our own region Rohingyas in Myanmar are the subject of a particularly violent ethnic cleansing. Mass murder, rape and mass expulsion. Something like 250,000 expelled in a matter of months. Many have no homes to return to and even if they do, it is not safe. Other nations in the region refuse to take them. Even Bangladesh, where they are currently in huge camps, wants to return them. It can't afford to take care of them. That is a VASTLY more pressing issue & close to home. At no point has Dutton ever indicated that we should 'fast track' these people who have been driven en masse from their country, yet the far less pressing concerns of white farmers in Africa warrant special treatment?

    Only someone living under a rock could fail to see this for what it is - far right 'virtue signalling'. Dutton has gone out of his way to look 'tough' on non-white refugees and now he has gone out of his way to look welcoming to white people who may not even be seeking refugee status. It is also worth pointing out that the previous Tory government did the same thing for the same reasons with Zimbabwean farmers in 2000. It is all about telling a sub group of white voters what they want to hear about who the government likes & doesn't like.

    Why would we assume a white Sth African farmer would fit in any better than a doctor, engineer or shopkeeper from Syria or Myanmar?

    Well I can see why you are so sympathetic to white Sth Africans - you clearly want Australia to set up its own version of 'pass laws' for refugees. Funny how people are always so willing to restrict the rights of people when they think the rules will never apply to them.

    We already have programs encouraging new migrants (not just refugees) to work and live in rural areas. They are fairly successful, but are limited by job opportunities and rural infrastructure as well as this odd quirk in Australian law and custom where governments can't dictate to citizens where they live.

    There is no shortage of farmers in Australia. If anything there is a glut. I know plenty of people who grew up on farms & now live in cities. Mechanization, drought, debt & opportunities elsewhere see people move on. Still plenty of farmers left to farm the land. So, adding more farmers is hardly going to fix the problem of drift to cities, unless you want 'pass laws' for people born in rural areas. Of course, they are overwhelmingly white, so.......
     
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    There are some very good reasons to treat that estimate with a LOT of caution.

    https://africacheck.org/reports/do-...atter-camps-in-south-africa-the-answer-is-no/

    As for the claim that they would be a 'good fit' for Australia, one of the main reasons poor Afrikaners have struggled since the end of apartheid is lack of education & poor English language skills. Native English speakers have been far more successful both at home & abroad. What other than their skin color makes that a 'good fit' for Australia. There are millions & millions of refugees in worse situations, many of whom have skill sets that much better suit them to 'assimilation'.

    Over the past 25 years we have taken almost as many Sth African migrants as the UK, with one third the population. We have done more than our share. Let white Sth Africans them apply the usual way & be assessed by the same criteria as everyone else. If 'saving' them is such a priority (and I honestly can't see a reason other than skin color that makes it so pressing) then the UK, US & Canada have ample room.
     
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    1) such people (homosexuals at risk in Africa) have a choice, African people with white skin do not. terrible comparison.

    2) I don't think anyone is under the illusion that it's entirely humanitarian. there is method to the madness, and I don't condemn that method entirely .. despite my opinion of Dutton.
     
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    I agree that it is a terrible comparison. There are no laws in Sth Africa that make being white a capital crime and whites suffer a murder rate lower than non-whites. So, homosexuals are vastly more in need of protection.

    And since the false notion of 'choice' has appeared, white farmers (the people Dutton pretends to care about) have a much easier choice - they can sell their farms and get another job. That is an actual choice a person can much more easily make than changing their sexual orientation. Problem solved!

    The 'method' is to appeal to racism. Not subtle & not justifiable.
     
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    Citizens gave up their guns for safety . So what does it matter who enters australia ? No guns means everyone is safe . Correct ?
     
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    :banana::banana::banana:Yep Banana bender central old bilo
     
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    Nah! Just safer than you lot;)
     
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    Wrong thread. Go back to the US section & spew your rote learned talking points there.
     
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    I dont think so ...
     
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    Like Bowerbird?
     
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    Who gave up their guns? Once again someone who doesn't know what they are talking about
     
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    I don't think so, I know so.
     
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    Lmao
     
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    Yep, Australia is a really crap country, our government dictates to us, keeps us slaves every since they took ALL our guns, left us in chains. Filling our country with unwhite, unchristian people. Yes real bad here, DO NOT COME, and tell all your gun toting friends not to too.
     
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    The saying " The shoe is on the other foot" springs to mind
     
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    What goes around, comes around!
     
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