Physical beauty- Objective or subjective? Cultural or universal?

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  1. ChrisL

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    Actually no. I'm trying to show that it is not so cut and dried. It is the OP who is claiming that certain "traits" are universally attractive. That's why I'm posting pictures of different looking women to show that they can ALL be attractive regardless of those specific traits.

    I've now posted pictures of good looking people who do NOT have facial symmetry, pictures of beautiful women who do not have large hips or large breasts but are still thought of as attractive and sexy. You see? You've got it backwards. :)
     
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    No one has said uglies have no worth. Uglies can find partners too, but uglies will never be considered attractive because they are uglies. :D
     
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    That's not true at all. I've posted pictures of women who do not have big hips, but the men still find them sexy and attractive. So that has been debunked.

    I posted a picture of a very attractive man whose face is not very symmetrical, so that debunks your symmetry theory too. :)

    There are plenty of women and men with small eyes who are considered very sexually appealing.

    Your theory is debunked. ;)

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    Lol. Well, what is an "ugly" to you?
     
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    Is this woman "ugly?" She has small eyes and not very full lips. I have quite thin lips myself, but I wouldn't consider myself "ugly" either. :)

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    You do not have to fulfill every damn criteria there is. The women you have linked to have had nice "S-shape" bodies, big eyes and soft facial- and rather symetrical feautures. :nod:

    Strong jaw, thick eye brows, manly lips and full set of hair.

    It is a minus. But if you have the other traits you might pass. ;)

    Nope. You are just too big-headed to accept we are apes, that we are animals and no different from wolves when it comes to sexual selection. :D

    I am not very attractive myself. I am not that tall, I am a skrony bag of bones and do not have the most symetric of faces. So I have full sympathy fir the "ugly community" and nothing against them(us). :D
     
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    But the OP is correct. There are certain traits that are universally attractive. Men from any region of the world can be attracted to women from any region of the world. Most women are attractive, but when you ask what your druthers are than we start building a woman from a box of spare parts and are a bit more selective.
    So it's a bit like ordering from a menu and being told they're out of it, so you make another selection. She needn't be perfect.

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    She has average eyes and average lips and she's very pretty.
     
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    I think different features are going to be more attractive to different people. It all depends on what YOU find attractive, and what you find attractive is obviously not what someone else finds attractive.

    And a person can be void of some of the things on Mr. Ritter's list, and still be very attractive.

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    Her eyes are small. They only look average because of the makeup. :)

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    I would disagree that most people are attractive. Goodness! Look around. Lol. Truly attractive people are more rare I think.
     
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    I do not like to use that word about other people's appearance, but some people are just unlucky and born with disproportionate faces. If we talk about extremes; big mouth, crooked teeth, very large nose and squinty eyes, I think most would agree, is not attractive.
     
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    I am going to go with it is how features work together and not necessarily specific features that makes one attractive. :)
     
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    The scientists interviewed men and most were attracted to wide hips. That does not mean that those same men wouldn't be attracted to narrower ones, it only means they're more attracted to wider ones. I think a pretty face trumps everything else. I think it's been shown that what makes up pretty facial features are average features as in an average nose, average eyes, average ears, and forehead etc. Having a hairless back is very attractive.
     
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    So, you have realised and admit that there is universal beauty now? :D

    Good, good!
     
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    Some men would find this woman to be sexually attractive. Lol.

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    No. I'm saying you don't have to have those qualities that you listed and can still be considered attractive. If your features meld well together . . .
     
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    I think (and hope) that most women don't have a hairy back. :laughing:
     
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    Not if all of these features are the opposite to what I listed. A fat guy, with small eye brows, a weak jaw and chin, small eyes that are to close to the gigantic nose with a bald head to top it off would probably be seen as physically unattractive by us all. :D

    Then he might just be the most superb person there is, but attractive he is not.
     
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    The myth that men prefer large breasts is just that - a myth, started by breast implant doctors, and women have fallen for it. You seem to be hung up on large breasts.
     
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    Okay, but now you are listing features that may be considered universally UNATTRACTIVE. :) A lot of people think Sarah Jessica Parker is sexy . . .

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    Big breasts sell. :D I've talked to PLENTY of men who say they like big giant breasts. I've even heard some say they wouldn't consider dating a woman who has below a certain cup size. Most women celebrities have big breasts. Most strippers have big breasts. Why? Because the big breasted strippers make more money!
     

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    ^ THIS

    And if there is any psycho/bio-evolutionary connection to "breast fetish" at all, it would be because breasts (small, average and big) are a sign of fertility and perhaps good health (in the past). Men like that.
     
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    Square Pegs Square Pegs Square,Square,Square Pegs!
    Her eyes are small.And very light blue.
     
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    I have a friend who used to be a stripper and she wanted to get breast implants because the girls with the big boobs were making all the $$. :)
     
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    A word about butts. We are like monkeys, the missionary position is learned, the spoons is natural. Women wore bustles to attract men.
     
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    But Ritter and yourself earlier said that it's not big butts that are attractive. :) This is what I mean. There is no "universally" feature that makes or breaks one's looks. Some women can be very sexy and attractive and have small boobs, small hips and small butts. However, it does seem that American men prefer "larger" women.

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    Her eyes are small, her nose is big, her lips are thin, but some people STILL find her to be quite attractive.
     
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    Sara is ugly. She's only attractive to other women. She's got that Owen Wilson broken nose look.
     
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    Most men find her physically unattractive tbh. Or at most, "less attractive".

    Who are just about as honest as the females who say "they'd never date someone with a smaller 'one' than x" or the American females who say they'd never do someone who was not circumcised. ;)

    These men would kill to have a small-breasted but symetrical girlfriend and most of those women would do the same for the symetric dude with a small pecker. ;)

    I have never been to a strip club to confirm that.
     
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    Ah,You just don't like her 'cause she's a princess.
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    Always makes me think about soccer player Diego Forlan when I see S.J.Parker. They could be lost siblings. :laughing:
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