Placating God Via Sacrifice

Here is a question for Christians. How is the sacrifice of children (to influence God) described in the article below any different in theory than the required sacrifice of Jesus to influence God, i.e., to influence him to forgive our sins. To put it another way why did God require Jesus to be tortured and killed as a scapegoat. Surely, as an all powerful deity he could just forgive any sincere sinner wanting forgiveness. I guess a second question would be why does believing in something without proof or evidence become a virtue in the eyes of God - the single thing that determines a binary outcome - heaven or torture for eternity.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/08/archa...very-mass-grave-filled-with-child-sacrifices/

 

When you sacrifice these creatures, are you allowed to eat them?

 

thanks for sharing

 

From what I recall, at least from the tabernacle and temple animal sacrifices, the blood was sprinkled on the altar and the priests ate the meat. So . . . insert baby back ribs joke?

 

Somehow in religions, there is always money involved.

 

Somehow, in religions, there is always money involved.

 

I'm a Christian, nowhere am I asked to sacrifice an animal or a child.

What are you talking about?

 

God sacrificed Jesus for you (or so you people claim) and you believe Jesus had to be a scapegoat for your sins (don't claim otherwise). Your position is not that much different from human sacrifice in South America, i.e., people had to be sacrificed make God be nice.

Now explain to me why Jesus had to be killed for your sins to be forgiven. If your prayed for forgiveness, and you were sincere, why couldn't your all powerful deity forgive you? Why did he have to have Jesus tortured and killed? I have heard that God had to make someone "pay" for the sin, but saying this means God is not all powerful. Of course the bottom line is you people have no proof for anything you claim.

 

For one thing, Christ consented to His sacrifice.

A twerpy little 7 year old who calls an aeronautics engineer a dummy for being unable to build a pedal powered airliner is less foolish and arrogant than people who make such pronouncements.

It doesn't. As Paul observed, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

Money, power, influence, and sometimes young boys.

 

First of all I could say the dummies are people who use a false analogy rather than a well reasoned argument. Secondly, saying "Christ consented to his sacrifice" completely ignores the question of why the sacrifice was necessary. People ignore this question who can't answer the question. Your only answer to this question can be the Bible says so. That is the answer you people have for everything completely ignoring the false claims of the Bible such as the world is less the 10,000 years old. Now tell me why God had to kill Jesus to forgive your sins. Actually provide a real answer if you can. I won't hold my breath.

With respect to faith, without evidence faith is for brainwashed people who have suspended their critical thinking. Provide some proof for your religion. Proof is not circular logic (the Bible) or a statement about how your religion makes you feel good.

 

Paul was a man who never met Jesus and never heard him preach.

 

Some guy in the bible actually sacrificed his own daughter and then got included in a list as one of the greatest men of faith in the bible by the New Testament.

 

Hell. Lot banged his 2 daughters and got them pregnant.
This was after he offered them to two angels as virgins, to bang.

Hell of a guy.

 

Something tells me I'm never gonna find out how it's false.

It also refutes your preposterous claim that there is no theoretical difference between His sacrifice and these run-of-the-mill human sacrifices you refer to.

You have me confused with someone else.

What the hell for?

such as Christ had doesn't exist, because they are one and the same.

And just what religion would that be?

So?

 

1. You compare a 7 year old not understanding why an engineer cannot design an airplane that violates the laws of physics to I assume me not understanding why God must have Jesus tortured and killed to forgive your sins. How is this in any way a valid analogy. For one thing the laws of science don't apply to forgiveness and for another thing I don't think you are claiming God is constrained by the laws of science. So there it is. You thought you wouldn't find out why you analogy is invalid but I have explained the reason.

2. With respect to the sacrifice the point was that the people in South America thought their Gods need a sacrifice (to make it rain or whatever) and you and your people think God needed a sacrifice (of Jesus) to forgive sins. The principle is the same in both cases.

3. If you have actual proof of your claims other than the Bible enlighten the rest of us. You may save a few souls.

4. Same answer here. If you can clarify why Jesus had to be killed you may save a few souls who read your explanation.

5. What religion? Are you not a Christian?

6/ With respect to Paul (i.e., your "so what") -- what makes a man who never met Jesus or heard Jesus preach qualified to make the various pronouncement he made - and you see fit to quote. Just sayin..,,,

 

If the daughters were good looking he took hospitality to an impressive level.

 

Couple things.

Jesus was God's power plus the experience of mortal man. Part of the experience of being mortal is death. Jesus 'dying for our sins' is a simplified version of God deciding to experience life and death to gain a more intimate perspective of His creations' existancd. Prior to this, God's role was that of Law Giver. Afterward, He became Forgiver. Humanities spiritual evolution had brought us to a point that we no longer needed or benefitted from a Law Giver. So God (for lack of a better term) 'adapted' His role to better suit our developement.

Another possibility is that God created another version of Himself in becoming Jesus, possibly a version that He had not forseen (which begs the question- can God do something He cannot foresee? probably). The 'Old Laws' established in the Old Testament were for all intents and purposes thrown out (still revered and best to be followed, but no longer carried the weight of eternal damnation behind them) as God (or New God- Jesus) had gained the perspective of a flawed, limited mortal, which necessitated a change in 'policy.'

 

What you say is what I would call a theory or a claim. Your proof of this claim is what?

 

Seems like this God of Abraham changes his mind an awful lot.
First he gave the Jews law, then he changed his mind for the Christians, then changed it again for the muslims.

 

Oh. You want proof of God...

lol

How come you didn't start with that?

Bait n switch.

If I could prove God, I prolly wouldn't be messing about in chatrooms.

Faith specifically denotes a lack of proof. Otherwise it wouldnt be faith.

I can't prove God anymore than you can disprove God. But we both already know this. So what is it you really wanna say?

 

Thats why Muslims and Christians and Jews arent all the same faith...

 

It's a Jewish story. Their myths required blood sacrifices to wash away sins. Moses did it with animal blood. The Christian version has Yahweh sending Yeshua as a human to get killed and bled out so that anyone who believed in him would escape from being tossed into the lake of fire. From a practical pov it saved the believers a ton of money because they no longer had to buy animals for periodic sacrifices. Imagine how many animals 2.5 billion Christians would go through in a year if they were doing animal sacrifices.

 

Matthew 26:39

"And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cuppass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

I personally believe that the life of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus could have worked out very, very, very differently......
and he still would have fulfilled the role of Messiah the Passover Lamb.........

If you are truly interested in this question you will want to read all of the pages here:

http://www.thomastwin.com/6 A Thomas background.html

 

Well that would depend on what sort of science you're talking about. Obviously the laws of physics are of no concern, but there are spiritual laws which presumably their Author knows way better than do any of His creatures.

He's not constrained by any laws at all. Nevertheless, He knows what He wants done and He knows how to get it done; and if His methods don't meet with your approval, I think He may be excused for caring less for your opinion than the engineer cares for that of the twerpy little kid.

Well good on ya for giving me the opportunity to explain why it's bogus.

No it isn't. Already told you why, not gonna do it again.

Not what I'm here for.

Those in need of salvation would do well to attend to their immediate concern, rather than indulge in theological/philosophical rumination.

Heck if I know, or care.

Correct.

Doesn't matter. What matter is that what he said is true. Perhaps not coincidentally, it meshes well with what Einstein said about science and religion.