Plan to tax drivers per mile hidden in $1.2 trillion bill

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah, embarrassing, but it does :)

    in this case, you would do the same as when selling a vehicle, just yearly when you renew registration would also do it
     
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    It wont happen anytime soon.
     
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    agree, this is just a planning session, like taxing the internet sales, it will be a long time before this happens as it could kill electric car sales
     
  4. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do realize that's just another example of the slippery slope problem I was telling you about.

    See, first one law seems reasonable, and then after that law has been passed and become normal for a long enough time, then it makes passing another law seem like not such a big jump.

    But the problem is this keeps on continuing.

    This is the problem with the mentality of many progressives. They imagine that any problem can be solved by just passing a law.

    I'm sorry, that is just mentally lazy thinking.

    Sorry, but any time the government tries to control something, it gets more complicated than this, and they have pass many other additional laws and require people/businesses to do things to ensure compliance.

    You're well on your way to being like North Korea with that type of thinking.
     
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  5. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    just be honest, don't make fraudulent documents
     
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  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not just put a moderate tax on electricity, that assumes that some certain percentage will be used for an electric car?

    No tax is going to be completely fair.

    That can be combined with a registration tax that has to be paid on every electric car on the road.

    Additional taxes could be placed on commercial charging stations outside the home. Those charging stations could even have electric meters installed, and have to pay higher taxes on electric power.

    I'm sure all this would be completely reasonable.

    There is not really any good reason to tax people by distance. Multiple other creative options could be found.

    Yet another idea could be placing additional taxes on the sale of new tires. That could help collect some of the revenue for paying for roads.

    How about taxes on electric car batteries themselves, since the batteries often have a limited lifespan over so many charging cycles?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the discussion in this thread is important.
    Not so much just because of the issue being discussed, but it gives a lot of insight into the way the different sides think on these type of issues.
     
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    I hear what you're saying but, at the same time, recognize that someone has to pay for our roads.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Only in YOUR imagination!

    There is no crime in doing RESEARCH into ways and means to establish alternative revenue sources for infrastructure use and maintenance.
     
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    How many extremist rightwing anti-maskers came up with fraudulent medical documents so as not to comply with commonsense measures to stop the spread of a deadly virus?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    You mean those DICTATORIAL GOVERNMENT regulations that FORCE you to only drive on ONE side of the road?

    YOU should have the RIGHT to drive on BOTH sides of the road in the DIRECTION that YOU want to go!

    The government has no place telling YOU that you MUST stick to just one side and the government should BUTT OUT of making automakers install seat belts and airbags.

    :roflol:
     
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    One way might be to actually spend funds allotted to infrastructure on actual infrastructure. Nothing draws flies like a pile of money with loosely defined purpose. This huge "infrastructure" package ain't gonna go for roads and bridges. It will go for "shovel ready" projects just like OBiden did before.

    When the Trump oil boom hit West Texas our county roads got torn up from heavy use and are now being put back in order. There isn't a road in the area that doesn't have one lane closed for the next 20 miles for road repair/construction. It's a pain because commerce continues while repairs are being done. I don't think it is paid for by taxing electricity.
     
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    Did you have a point that you were trying to make?
     
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    Yes, "Infrastructure" is a broad term getting broader. Money is allotted to it and it becomes a slush fund and now we are designing a new tax that will promise to do the job but it will only feed the slush fund. We don't need to tax electricity and we don't need to spend tax dollars allotted for roads and bridges on long extension cords for nerds cars.
     
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    There are other ways to collect the taxes though.

    We just have to be a little bit more creative in our thinking.
     
  17. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No surprise someone of your political persuasion wasn't able to see the point.

    To me it was screaming obvious.
     
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    So you are CONFIRMING that you are UNAWARE that taxes are NEEDED in order to PAY for infrastructure? :eek:

    Given the content above you do NOT appear to understand how EV's function either.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for establishing that the content was just "rightwing screaming" as opposed to making a valid point.

    :roflol:
     
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    Will be curious how they will collect the per-mile tax? Are they going to invoice us monthly or yearly? Will we need accounts that they draw from? If each person is supposed to pay a monthly invoice, how many won't be able to pay in time?

    Just keep per-gallon taxes, and create EV 'charging' taxes, and balance this with a federal tax on the cost of license fees...
     
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    Or why don't we just fix the roads with that big assed "infrastructure" bill"
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because most all of that "infrastructure" bill isn't actually going to roads, as anyone with half a brain should full well know.
     
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    Probably yearly, but I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to collect the information instantly in real time, for security reasons to help prevent fraud.

    With electronics and wireless connections, government can collect information into their database instantly.

    That's part of what is so concerning about this.
     
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    Roads will be fixed because they have not been maintained properly over the decades because most voters refuse to allow proper funding...
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Infrastructure means more than roads as anyone with half a brain should full well know. If you read the bill there are billion$ in there directly for road repairs...
     
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