Please cite your best evidence of "no-planes"

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  1. LogicallyYours

    LogicallyYours New Member

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    Let's get specific here and deal with these one at a time. Please post, what you feel is, your best evidence for the "no-Planes" hypothesis for 9/11...NOTHING ELSE...
     
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    Honestly there is no point going there. No planers are so obviously wrong there is no need to even battle against their total wilful ignorance. And even if you try, if they are truly so far down the rabbit hole they think no planes were involved in 9/11, then they are a complete lost cause. Just save yourself the bother.
     
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    that would be better said please cite your best evidence of "planes" since all the video is manufactured.

    stand in front of a judge and swear under oath this is a plane and see what happens to you!

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    and this one!

    this crazy looking thing is real right?
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    and here is the ORIGINAL Hezerkahni clip that was played by all the networks every 5 minutes for 5 years running.

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    the wingtip goes behind wtc2 camcorders cant do that but cgi can

    really (*)(*)(*)(*)ty cgi work, in fact one of the news anchors on abc said the same thing

    So the challenge here is for you to show us some REAL footage, its easy to tell

    into the clouds
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    5 miles away cheap consumer camcorder

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    cheap camcorders even stop the a prop with tip speed at approx the speed of sound

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    thats what we need crystal clear pristine clips registered in 2001.
    see just like the REAL planes
     
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    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

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    Typical dishonesty
     
  5. holston

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    There's no evidence to suggest that there were no planes.

    No GENUINE and HONEST doubter of the Kosher commission actually believes that red herring.

    In fact, those kinds of stories were most likely created by the propaganda ministerium whose job it was to divert attention away from LEGITIMATE evidence which indicated that the 9/11 travesty was orchestrated by others more than the alleged (never tried and convicted) Arab suspects who were offered up immediately following the event, after having escaped detection for years prior to 9/11 in the planning stages, by the combined surveillance efforts of US and Israeli intelligence.

    The idea is to present the most absurd conjectures as "conspiracy theories" in order to get inattentive people to "lump" ALL theories in the same category; and having done so, throw them all out on the basis that a few of them are obviously ridiculous.

    It works something like guilt by association.
    As an illustration, no one would say accept as a logical syllogism that the indicated conclusion follows necessarily from the following statements.

    Bernie Madoff was a thief and a liar.
    Bernie Madoff was an exemplary Jew.
    Therefore all Jews are thieves and liars.

    Yet it's amazing how many people willingly accept the idea that because a few obvious "kooks" are presented by the main stream media as representative of the entire body of people they categorize as "truthers" ascribe to the same theories.



    The government assertion that x number of Arab "terrorists" hijacked the planes of 9/11 and committed the acts in the manner attested to by the 9/11 commission and the mainstream media, has never been tried in a court of law, let alone proven.
    The simple fact that many of the identities of those suspects on the original list were latter proven to be false should suggest the possibility to any thinking and reasonable person the possibility that perhaps the proponents of the "Official" version were mistaken in other matters as well.
    Despite the absence of proof for these allegations, the mainstream media persists in summarizing the 9/11 Commission report as fact and not theory, which is in truth, all that it remains.

    The inability of those responsible for filtering the news and media reports no the matters to admit to these facts objectively clearly demonstrates bias on their part at least, and a deliberate attempt on their part to discourage open discourse and discredit legitimate concerns.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/09/911poll/

    In China and the former Soviet Union, the state controlled the media and the press. Only official and state approved narratives concerning political and social matters were allowed to be presented.

    Tragically, the US has adopted the same policies on behalf of the Zionist/Jewish/Marxist lobbies and political unions.

    R.I.P.
    Old Glory

    Never forget.
     
  6. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    I am glad you agree that it was faked. pretty sorry assed cgi, it was one of the first clips aired and sold as flt 175.

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    except to cgi experts anyway. honest ones.
     
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    Why don't you show the original copy of the tape?
     
  8. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    I dont post on youtube

    in fact the way I see it, anyone who thinks themselves qualified to discuss 911 chould be able at a quick glance realize what happened from the way the so called explosion looks.

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    and of course not one plane part LOL

    at least hollywood "gets it" how to make the explosion part "look" real! (removing the jazzed up mirror ripples etc)

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    THERE IS TONS AND TONS AND TONS AND TONS of evidence:

    1. MOST EYE WTINESSES SAW PLANES
    2. Plane parts EVERYWHERE at pentagon and WTC
    3. Several different cameras took footage of the planes slamming into the TOWERS
    4. All the people that died in those planes
    5. 64 cell calls made to family members
    6. Traffic controllers recorded the voices of the terrorists
    7. Terrorists were seen at the airport, caught on video
    8. Terrorists trained as pilots for a while, several KNEW THEM
    9. Al Queda never denied they did it, they celebrated and acted proud
    10. Al Qeada had bombed embassasies, attacked USS Cole, showing intent and resources to commit terrorist attacks anywhere
    11.


    To believe that the CIA, FBI, Bush adminstration, United and American airlines, media, airports, air traffic controllers, firefighters, NYPD and many others conspired to bring down two buildings symbolizing the heart of the US economy and killing 3k Americans, is borderline INSANE. This is the stuff schizophrenia patients believe in, seriously. The explanations by conspiracy theorists are so damn INSANE that it gets weird, really weird. When challenged with 'what happened to the planes then' they come up with absolutely ridiculous stories of planes being re-directed to airports, people gassed and all sorts of insane theories. Cell phone calls? the 64 cell calls were faked using voice morph technology and personalities even mimicked, to fool family members. That plane parts were planted all over WTC and pentagon, after the fact.

    Every government agency and airlines and media were all set on commiting the biggest crime on US soil, stick a dagger in the America's heart. For what? to go to war against arabs, increase survelance of US citizens and go get some oil! Out of the hundreds unvolved, no-one would speak up and all of it covered so so incredibly well that no evidence has being uncovered about a conspiracy (that's right, NO EVIDENCE).

    IT'S NUTS!
     
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    I dont care if you do - But it does not take genius to see we are looking at 4th generation material. Which means a fair chunk of information has already been lost in the resolution.
     
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    Not only do I refuse to accept the "no planes" theory as being a bogus attempt to discredit and divert, I deny all attempts by others who seek to discredit me personally by the injection of their own contrived false assumptions as to what I do and don't believe about the events of 9/11.

    In other words, you can't put words into my mouth and then claim that they are my own, for example this one:

    No such assertion is necessary to affirm the evidence for espionage and covert activities by entities other than those representing the so called opposition, namely "Muslim extremists" or "terrorists".

    I think they call the tactic of attributing erroneous arguments to an opponent which are easily dispatched a "straw man" argument. Logically it works no better than the "no planes" theory". All that is required to understand this is a person who has an open mind, the desire to learn the truth, and the time to dissect all the arguments.
     
  12. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    well if you have a better copy then by all means post it. that is what was available the day it was aired. Since it is the same one aired I had no reason to look for a different one, post it if you got it!
     
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    post certified accounts of all your witnesses.

    post certified accounting that all parts were from the stated planes

    Really? Post whatever clip you think proves a plane slammed into the wtc.

    Terrorists? What court made that determination?

    well osama bin laden denied it.

    how can a cia database bomb anything?

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    you can refuse to accept all you want, however until someone can show me real footage as I have shown in my original post in this thread you have nothing.
     
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    I'll be glad to if you have the time it takes and the patience to follow through, because the abundance of it is such that it cannot be condensed to a mere few pages on a single thread.

    In order to be able to appreciate the extent of it, you must be able to sustain your attention long enough to digest the content. One doesn't consume a weeks worth of calories in a single meal without getting a case of indigestion.
    Providing that you are sincere in your request (which I regretfully doubt) you also need a minimal feel for the way the statistical probability for a case mounts as evidence accumulates.

    While this may not constitute the kind of instantaneous "seeing is believing" revelation you desire, an appreciation for mathematical probability can be almost as convincing, provided of course you grasp the concept of how steeply the odds are stacked in favor of a particular likelihood.

    Indeed, there have been many people who having been presented with visible demonstrations like "burning bushes" and what not, still found the prospects of such a moment so overwhelming they were still overpowered by a sense of disbelief, hence statements like, "Lest I thrust my own hands into the wounds, I will not believe."

    Being a human who is only accustomed to accepting things as "real" which are commonplace to my experience and immediately with reach of my five senses, I also have a difficult time swallowing just any old pill that others offer me. There are just too many hucksters and liars in the world with ulterior motives that one cannot afford to not be skeptical.

    It took me a long time to accustom myself to the possibility that the new establishment we are laboring under is possibly more corrupt than the one it supplanted.
     
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    present it anyway you like, however if I cant march it into a court its worthless.
    None of the wtc plane videos that I posted would stand in court unimpeached if I were involved.
     
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    It's not a strawman, i'm pretty much telling you what conspiracy theorists believe in, go watch their videos and read what they say.

    you have absolutely no sane explanation for what happened to the planes, the passengers; where the 64 phone calls came from; where the air traffic controllers recordings came from; why terrorists couldn't have done it; how plane wreckage was found all over the place; how so many eye witnesses saw the planes slam into buildings; how the footage of the planes was on video and released right after attacks. You have zero credible evidence on your side and no sane explanation to disprove the tons of hard evidence pointing to terrorists slamming planes into buildings.

    This is why you don't even dare to explain your theory and just come in here and just post garbage that we use straw mans, red herrings etc... go ahead, give me an explanation.

    keep claiming stuff like we use straw mans (when we just repeat conspiracy theorist's theories), that we don't seek the truth, we are closed minded, isn't this an ad homminem? Why can't you just explain your theory? i know why, cause you are embarrassed to give us your story, knowing it's ludicrous.
     
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    Is it the original clip Koko? How was that gif extracted? How come I can go to a higher resolution clip and see the wing?
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    What did you do to manipulate the image Koko?
     
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    still posting that 2004 remake as original huh


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    So post the link to the original video then Koko. Let's see what you got.
     
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    its from 2001, I told you I dont post to youtube

    get your own copy Im sure its around
     
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    Here's a video for you to use Koko.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPeNkZz4mmU

    Here's the video information.
    Original mpeg-2 footage processing steps:

    Deinterlace Unfold
    SuperResolution Upscaling to 720p
    Deinterlace Fold
    Bob Double

    No colour treatment.
    No rescaling.

    Framerate set to 10fps.

    True framerate is x 5.994

    What do you have?
     
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    well that where OSHuggers have a huge problem.

    The OSHuggers claim the al queda conspiracy theory and thruth seekers claim the government and their corporate criminal friends conspiracy theory.

    Since it is the government that was chartered to perform a valid investigation any proof of anything starts there.

    If the government does not have the proof it never happened.

    So we start with proving that the planes claimed to have flown into the buildings in fact did fly into the buildings. The rest falls apart if that falls apart.

    So far there is no video that would not be inpeached in court by even a 1/2assed attorney to be found anywhere. Net or otherwise.
     
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    You mean you have a copy you got from youtube, but can't post the link?
     
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    you cant recreate something that is not there by upscaling shees!

    I have the gif that was made years ago, and as I said I am sure the original is still available so have at it because I have no intention of digging it out of the archives when there is no reason you cant find it out here.
     
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    You don't know much about digital video do you? What are the "specs" of your video? What techniques were used to convert it?
     
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