Thank you for your understanding...... this is exactly the case. A real election, that's what we want! Not a fake election drama, which make the China government pretend to be open, and continue to use up the remaining value of Hong Kong, and finally, just swallow this little free and open city, the end is let HK to be the same with any other China cities. More and more Hong Kong people realize the scheme of China, so we have to fight back. We just have one shot, we have to win this war, or we will lose forever. We have to control our own future. Or we will finally slowly swing to death... the road is harsh, the enemies are cunning and dirty...but we have to try never give in, never give up, may GOD bless Hong Kong
Don't worry, this is an unfire war, and not a single US soldier will involve, in fact in the past years US soldiers always have a happy vacation when the aircraft carrier sail to Victoria Habour please see how we run our protest...That could only happen in Hong Kong http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29423147 We are the most polite protestors in the world, that's why we are so dangerous to the government. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._hong_kong_demonstrators_are_disciplined.html frankly we may be the most timid people in the world, the least we want to see is our students and citizens get hurt.
Thank you...your sympathy and encouragement is our energy to keep us warm and bare the stress during this critical time. Hong Kongers get used to be cold, we won't put much effort on something that is not related to our own personal benefit, we concern our living more than the society, but now, we, esp Young generation has awaken. This is the first time we try our best, we united together and use all of our strength to fight for the thing that is not for onef, but for all. We fight for the right to control for the future of our society, for us, for our next and next generation.
I am not sure which time flame you are talking about? 1997, so many local groups, which hoping for the benefits given by China government, did so many celebation for the returning, and most of the Hong Kongers...they just pretend nothing happen, they didn't show like or dislike, yet feeling unease in their heart. the year 1982, that the future of Hong Kong was determined: HK will return to China at 1997, most of the people kept slient and thought: I dont really understand China, I feel worry, but what can I do, and so...they compromised In fact, most of the average Hong Kongers thought "oh it's not bad to be a colony of Britain, it's good to stay what we are." However, a group of students and scholars held the flag of nationalism, they thought it was a national shame to be a colony. In order to wash the shame of Chinese, Hong Kong had to return to China. eventhought China was ruled by a communist dictatorship government, and only Hong Kong should be a demoracy society on a dictator's land! Funny isn't it, but that was what the students (many of them became polictians now, they believed in lies and now they tell lies) and scholars suggested and believed in at that time. (at that time I was still not born, and now I wanna said what the f...) and then 1989, Hong Kongers really tasted the fear, and still thinking "I can do nothing to change" and then tried every means to immigrant. To escape from China. and most of all, I confess, many Hong Kongers are coward, selfish, and naive, and so we paid for it. this 17 years failure... but now our young generation have awaken, we want to stand and fight, before we get old and lose our courage. if we lose and give in, as time goes by, we'll be a coward like our parents and our children will suffer more pain and paid much heavily to fight for the rights that they should have. We don't want to feel guilt to them.
Even after the 1st time we suffered from tear gas, we still keep calm and peacful we can be peacful like this ---> and this ---> Police probably use tear gas or even plastic bullet to drive out our people who are now gethering at government headquarter as they bear the high pressure from government (HK & China)(China government even said it's the issue of "national security", you know they think this is the reasonable reason of all violence ....May god bless them and keep them safe...
and oh, almost forgot Please, if you have few seconds, please click the following link and write a few words to us. Your words will show on our main front at Admiralty(near central), and we can see at once, it will keep us warm to stand this long night. Thank you! http://occupier.hk/standbyyou/ quite a lot of selfish idiots (mostly men above age 50) confront the students who stay at the gethering place, I saw the tv news, one student (around 17 yrs old) could hold his tears, I almost drop my tears too ><"
Harlow dreaming gal, I have given your situation some thought and have concluded that it is somewhat a fight like the American civil war case. The North wanted to abolish slavery (Abraham Lincoln/ United States) vs Southern Confederate States which wanted to uphold slavery: the Northern United States won, thus the birth of the current 'United States of America'... I believe religion and morals played a large part in the 1861 USA effort to abolish slavery and declare freedom for all men (in the USA at least I guess)...One system: many states where the one system during the American Civil War was the moral abolition of slavery... China today is very much premised on the Stalinist form of government: one country claiming to be able to operate many systems but we all know (as the Tibetans whose culture/ religion is being oppressed know), how much that is a hypocrisy in so far as the lack of transparency and corruption plagues the government, not that democracy would correct everything, but at least democracy affords the transparency that allows a balance of power between the rulers and those being ruled... I believe that the true essence of religious teaching is charity (some just slightly more so than others), e.g. Bhuddist/Hindu= karma points for being kind, Christianity/Islam= reward for being the good Samaritan, Confucianism= being a contributory member of society etc etc...: just like the American Civil war was fought (IMHO) over moral values, which eventually triumphed and resulted in greater progress and harmony amongst and within different states, it is my hope that the students turn to scholarship and teach China that 'one moral system, MANY countries' is a possible outcome so long as the good spirit of the moral law is upheld... The internet shouldn't be censored except for porn, gambling and other vices. I wish the people of Hong Kong all the best in their efforts to improve their society through helping the very poor... ~ Matthew 25:40: "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'"- (NIV)
Thank you so much! yes you are right, to win this war, esp when our Hong Kong citizens without weapon...faith, and moral are the spirits to support us to go that far. and here I wanna share this https://www.facebook.com/#!/video.php?v=735340966502087 you can see, they rise the warning flag while people has no intension to confront police, then crush to the people and hit the protestors.
Haha, thanks for the video although I CANNOT WATCH IT AT MOMENT because my android device does not support the 'adobe flash player' necessary to watch it. Anyhow, I read in local papers here that both the HK taxi, tram companies etc have won court injunctions demanding that students clear off the roads in their fight to re-open roads in order for them to return to making a living... Whilst I salute the HKG students and agree that even Singapore students have much to learn from umbrella movement in terms of idealism and resolve, I hope that HK students know that in order for there to have peaceable outcome, they must make peaceful/lawful efforts: e.g. proposing the philosophy of ONE GOOD SYSTEM (good laws): being abided by MANY COUNTRIES: which Singapore I believe upholds: we kow-tow to NEITHER USA nor China. Even if Hong Kong doesn't achieve real universal suffrage, at least China will think twice about deploying its puppets there since the happiness of HK people reflects the leadership capability of the China communist party. More HK students should study political science so that even if HK does not have real universal suffrage, HK will always remain a stepping stone to freedom and through the seeds born out of the umbrella movement, more places in the world will see universal suffrage (and one day so will China too)... All is not lost as long as one can see the woods for the trees... In life, it is sweetest to eventually win the war even if the current battle is lost... The world is your oyster, with the right values (environmentalism, charity, transparency, love etc), U can achieve anything in the world that U want... As Nelson Mandela once said: "Everything is IMPOSSIBLE until it is done". Thanks to Mandela, ordinary people now know that with love and persistence, almost any form of oppression can be overcome. All the best to your efforts and I have faith in the younger generation to remove hatred and bigotry from this world: as long as they have the right principles and purpose, they will eventually win the war no matter how many battles are lost. HK will be the Pandora's Box of democracy that the corrupted Chinese Communist Party regrets that it ever owned... Gd day to U all, Love and God bless, B.C. from Singapore...
I have been doing some searching on the Internet, but to my surprise I could not find any English-language political forums in Hong Kong despite 156 years of British rule. As a Hongkonger, perhaps you can name me a few English-language political forums in Hong Kong, so that I could have some idea of what the local people think about the street protests over there. Dreamin'gal, I hope you are not really dreaming day and night because one could never tell what juggernauts would be advancing towards the bodies of those who are camping out on the streets one silent night. http://www.politicalforum.com/humor-satire/376313-agongs-fairy-tales.html Beijing seems to be blind to it while CY Leung seems to see only the face of power in Beijing.
Familiar with Chinese history? Subjugation of Tibet, the Uigurs and the seizure of inner Mongolia? My friend, what a great joker you are! Tibet, Xingjiang and Mongolia were already provinces of China under the Ching Dynasty. You should say that the early European settlers subjugated the Red Indians and seized their lands in the New World instead. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...1E096E29B01802B8BAAB0BE7C5A3&selectedIndex=17 http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...4B3F6F7D140B3734F179E3005C7E&selectedIndex=21
Yes they did happen. That's spelt with a Q btw. And no they weren't during the time frame which I was referring to. With Xingjiang. I was referring to the people. No I wouldn't
Yes, the subjugation of the Red Indians and the seizure of their land did happen too. You better tell Merriam Webster Online Dictionary and other publishers to "correct" the spelling too. It's amazing that you are so obedient to Beijing by following its Pinyin system of spelling "with a Q". Anyway, with or without a Q, your hostility towards China will never change. Ching http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ching Webster's Dictionary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster's_Dictionary What time frame were you referring to? Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)? With the New World, I was referring not only to the people but also the land. My joker friend, of course, you wouldn't. Using an analogy, how can a wolf admit or confess after gobbling up the lambs? In the end, it shows how good your knowledge of history is.
Then you've just agreed with me. The merriam webster dictionary is quite frankly the sloppy dictionary and I am native speaker of English and funnily enough I was actually born and raised in the country of origin. And spelling doesn't indicate loyalty to any state. No. If you took the time to read what I wrote then you'd know that I was referring to the Taiping rebellion through towards the 1950's. During this period both Tibet and Mongolia weren't a part of China. It's impossible to draw parallels between the two because the circumstances and the histories are extremely different And don't call me "joker friend" because I'm neither. If you continue to troll then I will report this without question. I'd say it's a lot better than yours because I do have a degree in history and I said before my business did revolve around Chinese antiques mostly consisting of robes, wall hangings and other textiles.
You are kidding. If you want others to agree with you, there is no point to debate. You might as well order others to agree with you without debating. Circumstances and histories won't decide anything. Using the case of murder as an analogy, murder is murder regardless of circumstances, histories or time. It looks like all other netizens may have to emulate you by threatening their opponents once they are on the verge of losing the debate. I may have to report you for threatening me. What a joke! It is the first time in all the forums I have visited that I find somebody boasting about his degree and other irrelevant matters. It is not a surprise that there are many readers who have honours and doctorate degrees here, yet they don't care to show off their academic qualifications. Similarly, it is not surprising that there are many celebrities and many very important people here such as politicians, governors, premiers and presidents, yet they have the humility not to reveal themselves or boast of anything.
The merriam webster dictionary is quite frankly the sloppy dictionary? What a joke! I hope the company boss could read your post and say or even do something about it. The Hanyu Pinyin system was developed in the 1950s based on earlier forms of romanization. It was published by the Chinese government in 1958 and revised several times. Hence how did you and other British citizens spell the name of the last Chinese dynasty prior to 1958? Finally, just look at the following statement from http://www.state.gov/outofdate/bgn/hongkong/20048.htm "The first major migration from northern China to Hong Kong occurred during the Ching Dynasty (960-1279)." Hence don't go and teach the US administration and the US Department of State the "right" spelling of the name of the last Chinese dynasty. Pinyin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin What irrational argument and crooked thinking! Don't tell everybody here that the southern part of the US, called the Confederate States of America, was not a part of the US during the American Civil War from 1861 to 1865. Similarly if a housewife runs away from home to stay with her friends for a few months after quarrelling with her husband, please don't claim that the woman is not the wife of the husband during this period.
Sorry that I left here these days as I keep watching the latest news of umbrella revolution And here is the link: http://hongkong.geoexpat.com/forum/409/thread307549.html And also at facebook: https://m.facebook.com/globalsolidarityHK https://m.facebook.com/umbrellamovementberlin
Thanks for your information. In fact, I have found the above link using internet search sometime ago. What I want is not this link for expatriates in Hong Kong or any facebook link, but public political forums for Hongkongers. I am surprised that there are none at all though English is taught to students in Hong Kong.
Do you have trouble with the English language? You did just agree with me. Yes they will if you want to make parallels What does that have to do with anything? I haven't threatened you. You just failed to make sense which is indicative of trolling. It's not irrelevant because my job and my education relate heavily to Chinese history. You didn't ask and I wouldn't show it anyway because I prefer to maintain my anonymity. First time I've heard of that on this forum.
Well, good. Actually it's been around a bit longer than that and in either case it's an irrelevance. What does the US state department have to do with it? And why should I care about how the Americans spell? That's funny I was about to say the same for you and no they were both independent of China during the this period. If you really believe otherwise then all I can say is that you need to revise your knowledge. What does that have to do with anything? You're not making much sense pal and I'm starting to think that you're a little crazy.
Yes, first time I've heard of that on this forum that somebody has "a degree in history" and that "his business did revolve around Chinese antiques mostly consisting of robes, wall hangings and other textiles". Well, you haven't forgotten to advertise your business! So when you make this statement "I will report this without question", you are not threatening but trolling. You are wriggling and twisting like a worm in the debate all this while. While claiming that others agree with you, you better admit that you agree with others first. What did "the Taiping rebellion through towards the 1950's" have to do with anything about China's sovereignty over Tibet and Inner Mongolia? You're not making any sense friend and I'm starting to think that you're crazy for the following reasons: 1. Show off your degree and talk about your business in a non-business forum. 2. Threatening, if not trolling, about reporting. 3. Spilling foul language from your mouth such as "not making much sense" and "crazy". Perhaps your realisation of losing the debate has driven you to such level of craziness.
So? It's a warning because you haven't made sense. And you keep dodging the issue that being whether Tibet and Mongolia were independent from China. No. I stated that you and not anybody else had just agreed with me. I suspect that this was an error on your part. Because if you recall this was the period I was talking about. In which Tibet was independent of China until 1951 when it was invaded (1950) and incorporated in the PRC. And Mongolia was independent of China in 1911. If you can refute these statements then I can at least say that you're on track. No. I haven't showed off my degree for reasons of anonymity as I've told you and I mentioned my business because it's relevant to the conversation. As I said it was a warning which at the very least it should have been an indicator to rephrase your argument. Spilling foul language is telling somebody that they're a tw@t. And the evidence derives from what you've written. Not really. I don't get personally invested in forum topics. As for "losing" as you put it; you keep telling me that and yet not once have you broached the central point. You also keep ignoring my questions like "what does the US state department have to do with anything?" Or like "What does that have to do with anything?" in relation to your mentioning of the US civil war.
It proves that you haven't made sense in your debate and have to resort to boasting about the possession of "a degree in history" to impress others. By the way, I suspect you don't have "a degree in history". Please prove that you really have "a degree in history" by posting a photo of your certificate in this thread. It's laughable that a person who hasn't made sense accuses others of haven't made sense. You keep dodging the issue that Tibet and Mongolia were provinces of China during the Ching Dynasty. Actually, it is not an issue whether Tibet and Mongolia were independent from China. Take for example, it is not an issue whether Catalonia was a sovereign state before becoming part of Spain. Similarly it does not matter whether the United States was non-existent in the New World prior to the so-called discovery of America by Columbus. As another example, your "livelihood at one point" is no longer an issue. What's important is your current livelihood. Catalonia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia 1. Again you are dodging the issue that Tibet and Mongolia were provinces of China during the Ching Dynasty. Tell me, has Tibet been a member of the United Nations? There are many so-called "independent indigenous sovereign nations" inside the US. Do the US administration and UN really recognise their independence? The Lakota Nation and the Chiricahua Apache Nde Nation have openly declared independence. Do the US administration and UN really recognise their independence? Similarly, do the US and the UN recognise Tibet as part of China? Let's take a look at the American stance: Following are excerpts from the article headlined "Obama meets Hu, says Tibet part of China" at http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...s-Tibet-part-of-China/articleshow/5238752.cms (Begin excerpts) "We did note that while we recognise that Tibet is part of the People's Republic of China, the United States supports the early resumption of dialogue" between the Dalai Lama's representatives and Beijing," Obama said after his meeting with Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao. (End excerpts) Take another example, it is useless to argue that a person's wife was not his wife before marriage. What's matter most is the fact that she is his wife after marriage. Independent Indigenous Sovereign Nations http://www.aaanativearts.com/tribal...digenous-sovereign-nations.html#axzz3J0Kbk3fT lakota nation declares independence http://onewatchman.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/breaking-news-lakota-nation-declares-independence/ The Unanimous Declaration of Independence of The Chiricahua Apache Nde Nation http://www.chiricahuaapache.org/Declaration_Independence.htm
Your boasting of your "degree in history" and mentioning of your Chinese business are irrelevant to the conversation, and would not help you prove your nonsense in this thread. Yes, so according to your twisted argument, if somebody tells you to rephrase your argument before he does something without question, he is warning not threatening you. Yes, now you admit you have spilled foul language from your mouth like a tw@t. After posting all your nonsense, where is your central point? You keep dodging the fact that Tibet and Mongolia were parts of China during the Ching Dynasty. You also keep evading the question how the British government and its people called the last Chinese dynasty prior to the communist takeover of China. What's wrong with using the word "Ching" when the US State Department uses it too? The Chinese Civil War and the US Civil War were parallel cases. In fact, we get a similar situation in any country when there is a civil war. When there is a civil war, there is anarchy or breakdown in the central government. Local politicians will take the law into their own hands, and even take the opportunity to declare independence from the central government. Don't suspect or wish your opponent to agree with you in debate. So far there is no logic or rationality in all your arguments. Want others to agree with your rubbish? Fat hope! My parting shot: When you are fighting in a battlefield, make very sure that your enemy has really agreed to surrender to you; otherwise you would be the first one to raise the white flag or worse, get a bullet in your head.
