PLEASE give a helping hand to HONG KONG!

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  1. reedak

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    This morning.
    I was just a drop. A single drop.
    That soon became a river.
    In this river, hope was born.
    From this hope, roused a raging flood.
    A Tide of wave of change.
    And if anyone stand against that tide.
    Tonight we will become.
    A revolution

    from Assassin's Creed Unity:flame:
     
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    What has been happening in Hong Kong since 1997?

    Hong Kong started to suffer from another colonized time, under the rule of mainland China.

    the steps of colonization became faster and faster since 2003, after the crisis of SARS.

    China government has been trying every means to weaken HK, in order to reduce the disobedience of Hong Kongers.

    China government aims to make HK to dissolve into mother China completely,
    so after several decades, "Hong Kongers" will disappear, as well as their culture and history, their IDENTITY.
    In the future, people who live in HK won't think themselves as Hong Kongers, but just a bunch of Chinese who live in a simple China city called Hong Kong.
     
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    Well how then?

    I've told you three times now. I will not do so in order to protect my anonymity.
    If I did show you my certificate with important details removed; it wouldn't prove my sincerity.
    So you're making an impossible request.

    I've only told you that you don't make sense and nobody else.

    No. I haven't dodged the issue at all.

    That doesn't make sense. Catalonia wasn't an independent nation prior to the union of Aragon and Castille.

    Post graduate student.
    And it was only a few months ago that I shut down my business.



    No. I didn't dodge the issue and in either case there wasn't a Qing dynasty past 1912.
    What does that prove? UN membership isn't mandatory.
    False comparison.
    Again that is an irrelevance. Do you not understand that Tibet and Mongolia were independent of China in the early to mid 20th century?
     
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    How is it not?
    You need a better understanding of English



    No I haven't called you a tw@t; I gave you an example. If you can find even one insult I'll apologise to you.



    I just told you. Can you not read?

    No I haven't. I didn't even deny it.
    That's is an irrelevance. Do you not understand that it's 2014?
    Maybe you should do me the courtesy of answering my questions first?
    No they're not. The causes and outcomes were vastly different not to mention the motivations and decisions that were made as well as the level of foreign involvement.
    And?
    As I said it was a mistake on your part which I was perfectly willing to ignore if you had the manners.
    Are you joking?
    You mean fat chance?
    Look feiren I have made it perfectly clear that both Tibet and Mongolia were without question independent of China. Tibet was 1912 until 1950/51 and Mongolia has been independent since 1921.
    This is something you have wholly and wantonly ignored by using diversion and false accusations not to mention chronic rudeness.

    It is not my fault nor my concern that you cannot be asked to have a reasonable debate using sound facts coupled with logic.
    And of all your sources; they are nowhere near the period that is in question.
    What I find the most alarming is how immature you've been throughout this entire debate if it's even possible to call it that.
     
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    So I doubt that you really have "a degree in history" because you get all your history of Tibet and Mongolia wrong! (Please see below.)

    Fortunately, you have not shown your certificate; otherwise your university history professors would have covered their faces in shame. See what you have posted above.

    From the Taiping rebellion through towards the 1950's, both Tibet and Mongolia weren't a part of China?! For real? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ho! Ho! Ho! Hee! Hee! Hee! :roflol:

    You better go back to your kindergarten to refresh your memory.

    From 1861 to 1865, the Confederacy was independent. You argued that Tibet and Mongolia were independent during a certain period. What did causes, outcomes, motivations, decisions and level of foreign involvement have to do with independence? As an analogy, when you and other people are hungry, you and other people just have to fill up the stomach. What sort of motivation and decision are you talking?

    Following are excerpts from the article headlined "Southern United States" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

    (Begin excerpts)
    ....After Abraham Lincoln was elected the first Republican president in 1860, seven cotton states declared their secession and formed the Confederate States of America before Lincoln was inaugurated. The United States government, both outgoing and incoming, refused to recognize the Confederacy, and when the new Confederate President Jefferson Davis ordered his troops to open fire on Fort Sumter in April 1861, there was an overwhelming demand, North and South, for war. Only the state of Kentucky attempted to remain neutral, and it could only do so briefly. When Lincoln called for troops to suppress what he referred to as "combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary" judicial or martial means, four more states decided to secede and join the Confederacy (which then moved its capital to Richmond, Virginia)...... (End excerpts)
     
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    And I doubt that you know anything at all about Chinese history.
    My statements were correct
    I never said that.
    We don't have such things as kindergartens in the UK


    No I didn't say that.
    I said it's impossible to draw to parallels because of the aforementioned differences.
    This doesn't make sense at all.

    Again none of this has anything to do with Mongolia or Tibet.
     
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    No kindergartens in the UK?! For real? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ho! Ho! Ho! Hee! Hee! Hee! :roflol:

    Now besides doubting whether you have "a degree in history", I begin to doubt whether you are living in the UK.

    You are welcome to join those kids in The Kindergartens in central London. Better go and register a place for yourself now before it is too late.

    The Kindergartens
    http://www.thekindergartens.com/

    You never said that?! Just look at your statement below which you posted on page 7 of the thread on Nov 08 2014, 05:59 AM.

    This shows how much you know about the history of Tibet and Mongolia after getting your "degree in history.

     
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    We have primary and secondary schooling after which it's common for people to go onto college and then university.
    We do not use kindergartens.
    Then I would say that you may as well doubt the existence of gravity.
    That won't be happening
    I never claimed that Tibet and Mongolia were independent during or around the Taiping rebellion as you seem to believe to be the case.
    I said during and not from as you previously claimed.
    English isn't your native language is it?
    I am correct.
     
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    https://m.facebook.com/occupybritishconsulatehk

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    We a now fighting for our future by all means
     
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    Obama states his umbrella revolution in Hong Kong in his latest speech at Queensland university

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    Thanks Mr Obama^^
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    I don't blame you.
    But unfortunately Britain can't do that much; we've retired as a superpower.

    I don't think that we should have "returned" HK to China for obvious reasons.

    However it would appear as if HK may have to face the prospect of having to share China's future and problems.
    It won't surprise me if in the next decade or so that they start changing the street names.
     

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