Please tell me exactly what "Systemic Racism" is! I'm very serious....

that guy is a real work of art lol

 

The democrats profess it. Why? Because they are, actuals the remnants of systemic racism in our time in the US. Need proof? Ask why democrats want illegal undocumented workers to flood the nation. I assert that it is purposefully tolerated so it induces discomfort economically in the black community, to further pressure their economic options and potential. Further, if you look at, for example, the latest Biden proposal for COVID relief, you'd see that help is only directed to women or minority businesses. White men need not apply. Why? Because it shows democrats "care" about black and minorities, even though the bill no longer looks like democrats want to pursue it. Why? No need. The elections are over, and back to the flooding of the nation with illegal aliens. It's a pretty vicious cycle. So, when black and other minorities started to leave the democratic party because they finally understood how badly they were being used, and abused, democrats couldn't tolerate that, and magic happened during the election to ensure that any attack on the fraud could be casually swiped away as a racist attempt to disenfranchise...... what for it...... blacks and minorities in 6 or so swing states. Gosh, it's just too obvious.

What is systemic racism? Ask democrats. They invented and perpetuate it to this day.

 

And when they agree with me do they get accused of internalized racism?

 

we'll be happy to replace all the trumpets of any color with illegal aliens of any color cos they won't whine and cause partisan havoc

 

Stalin must be your idol... "Off to the gulags with you"...

 

don't worry, I'll be Stalin-lite

 

Huh. What's the systemic racism situation in the countries they are emigrating from and why would that cultural bias change when immigrating here?

 

we shitholed those countries. we owe the suffering like the Marshall Islands 60yrs ago.

 

Well then, it musn't exist. If others see something you don't, they are delusional.

 

The term "racism" itself is fake, a semantic nullity purposefully created to replace real terms such as "bigotry" and "discrimination." Whereas those very real and useful terms are less abstract, "racism" is a grossly abstract, vague catch-all. Like a unicorn fart in the wind, only useful for propaganda.

Therefore, the term "systemic racism" is also null, even more laughably abstract and vague, this is by design towards abuse of many types of rights and enabling many types of real discrimination. The term means nothing... well it does have one use, it brands those using it as either ignorant, stupid or purposefully lying.

Similar nonsense, newspeak terms of the left today include "toxic masculinity," "white privilege," "patriarchy," and so many more. They mean -nothing- just hollow placard slogan terms towards effeminate virtue signaling and ironically REAL discrimination against target groups.

 

Maybe you should look on YouTube.

 

Do you believe this answers my question? I don't. I'm not even sure I understand what you're talking about. What do you think that word you used means? Do you know that the compact of free association allows Marshall Island citizens to live and work in the U.S.? What do we owe them for kicking out the Japanese and then ultimately recognizing their own constitution? What does this have to do with any institutional racism that might exist in the Marshal Islands or broader Micronesia in general?

 

they still get the shaft.

 

In order to become a citizen of the Marshall Islands it takes 5 years. Is that an example of systemic racism?

How does moving people from different systems that contain systemic racism into our system affect our system in a way that eliminates systemic racism?

 

Compared to what? Would it be better if they didn't have access to U.S. infrastructure? How would that change their s-hole status? And again, what does this have to do with racism?

 

if we'd have left them alone they would still be an amazing culture with supreme Pacific knowledge.

 

I will give a shot at answering your question. Systemic racism is a form of racism that is implicitly embedded in the system or society. This is different than something like explicit racism when someone like a white supremacist either openly or even secretly discriminates based on race. System racism is the idea that the racism is baked into the system with people not even knowing they are being racist but it impacts certain people negatively or puts them at a disadvantage.

Some examples of systemic racism:

There is a study that took identical resumes and sent them to employers. All they did was alter the name. They used black names like Leroy, Jamal, Letisha as one control and names like John Smith etc... as another. What they found was that the resumes with the white sounding names got far more call backs for an interview. So this would be an example where one group has less opportunity, everything else being equal. To take this example one step further is what happens to the people that do not get called back? They will still end up with jobs but probably when the their credentials exceeds those in the pool of applicants left. That usually means working far less desirable employers and probably lower pay or benefits. The pay differential will again contribute to the systemic racism cycle.

Studies have found that once in the workplace people are more likely to promote and give the more favorable duties and responsibilities to people similar to themselves. I do not mean skin color but things like background, interest, style, etc... Things that are often shaped by culture, wealth, or the background you had when you grew up. Again they are not being explicitly racism because they probably do not think of themselves as being racist at all. It is just human nature. What are the results? You essentially end up with a structure when the majority or management and people in positions of power being similar. This result is less opportunity for certain groups.

Another example was a judge that ruled on a case with a college student committing rape. In his judgement he justified a more lenient sentence because he did not want to ruin the kid's future. The criticism was not that the judge was racist or that he should not have compassion. The criticism was, would he show the same compassion for a person of color. The judge was not explicitly racist, but because he could identify or relate to the white kid, it may have altered his sentencing.

We can go on with many more examples of police officers, government etc... but the idea is that the racism is implicitly built into the system. The additional problem is that the systemic racism perpetuates itself unless it is consciously broken.

The biggest arguments against systemic racism are people citing examples where they are white and do not perceive themselves as having had any special advantage. That may or may not be true but systemic racist does not guarantee everyone white being rich and successful nor does it guarantee that everyone black will be poor or on welfare. It just offers some people a helping hand along the way and puts up some detours signs for others.

 

Not bad. You touched on the most important element which is the nuance of it that is embedded in our cultural interactions.

 

What are the set of institutional, historical, cultural and interpersonal practices within a society that more often than not puts one social or ethnic group in a better position to succeed, and at the same time disadvantages other groups in a consistent and constant manner that disparities develop between the groups over a period of time.?

The Smithsonian had a web page that calls out these characteristics of White people:

 

Exactly. Civil rights law is a necessary first step. Cultural awareness is necessary for it to take hold.

The white grievance crowd would do itself well to take heed of cultural awareness. There is plenty of real anti-white racism to address. Whites have always been a minority in Hawaii, and are becoming a minority in other states. There may come a time when white grievance becomes a serious issue. Helping those now in such a position, would go a long way in recruiting help from the same people 30 years from now.

 

But, surely they can explain, if only briefly, exactly what it is that they think they SEE?!

An isolated, rare instance of a policeman causing the death of a Black man who violently resists arrest is not (NOT) any kind of clear-cut example of "Systemic Racism". Is anybody really unbalanced enough to believe that?

Let me provide examples of "Systemic Racism":
1. Blacks were not allowed to serve in the regular ranks of the U. S. military prior to the end of World War II, in 1945!
2. Blacks were segregated from mainstream American society under the old 'Jim Crow' laws, all of which ended in 1965!

Again (how many times must this be repeated?) the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 forever ENDED any real "Systemic Racism" in the United States! What valid reason is there to continue condemning the entire nation with this false charge FIFTY-SIX YEARS AFTER IT ENDED?!

 

Polycy, I'll suggest an answer for you.

The dramatically ludicrous statement you quote from Koppelman states it pretty well- in that is it mostly an illusion of those who wish to promote racism as a political and social tool. Part of what it implies is that we all have the original sin of being racists, and can never escape the guilt. Pretty much the biggest pile of claptrap ever; a propaganda kind of thing designed to manipulate thinking.

Racism would basically be the belief that any racial group is inferior by it's color. Most people today agree that is not a valid metric by any means, period. We agree that it once existed, and unless we are fooling
ourselves, we also know that such beliefs have almost nothing to do with the racial claims of today. However, I find no notes in US history where there were never detractors to racism and slavery, such beliefs were never universal as implied by those peddling "systemic racism" and white supremacy.

The benefits of using racism as a social or political weapon are pretty much unrelated to genuine racism- which actually has been reduced by our intentional and extensive efforts to the lowest point ever, historically. The elimination of racism will never be total, because it is a human perception and emotion. Nor can it be eradicated by laws- laws can limit or punish behavior, but cannot change what people think.
So while genuine racism is almost gone, the use of racism as a political/social weapon is thriving. Fake, false, abusive, but thriving because it can be used for gain by unscrupulous people. One effect of this is that it will tend to revive genuine racism, and thus it is a very detrimental thing for us to tolerate. People fear challenging the concept of "systemic racism" because they invite abuse from those who refuse to question the diet of misinformation they have been spoon fed in recent years.

The concept of "white supremacy" is basically that the race that is in the majority can consist only of racist people that all dominate and use the minority people. If you are white, you are racist by birth. Hogwash. If that were remotely, true- Obama could not have been elected once, let alone twice. It does however serve the purpose of avarice and malice in those who seek to destroy the nation or gain power or advantage- all unscrupulous motives. . It would also follow that in Africa, the evil groups are the black supremacists, because they are in majority, and the rest are all victims.

The current outrage around racism has by far been the worst thing that could happen for black people, the primary race of the claim. We know that race does not make people inferior- we know that people determine their own value and achievements by how they live and act, and that those things are choices. While conditions may limit the size of your home, it does not limit the nature of your character- but it can be used as an excuse for a lack of it. There is no question that the conditions we are born in make achievement easier or harder, but that too is not an absolute; in the end it comes down to what we believe, and how we conduct ourselves. This is why, despite the history of racism, we have had and recognize many great black contributors to society. I say the illusion of systemic racism it is the worst thing that could happen for our black citizens today, because like it or not, all things are seen and identified by the most obvious common denominator, and will be viewed in the light of what that typically represents- thus, any group may make it's appearance representative of any value, over time, by it's choice of actions. The concept of systemic racism implies that all black people are claiming to be victims of white people and all white people are to blame for their condition. It's like a mass denial of the personal choices and responsibilities, and- the individual achievements of black people. Lumps it all together, perpetuates conflict, benefits no one, and hurts many. It's patently offensive as well as BS.

Take this out of the human argument for a minute, to look at a less contested example. We do not look at black dogs as any less acceptable than white dogs or brown dogs. Why not? Because other than color, they are commonly the same in character and conduct. Now imagine if black dogs consistently had exceptional temperament and qualities above normal; and how that would cause them to be seen as the best to be around, and they would be appreciated by anyone- identifiable as such by the common denominator of black color. However- imagine that instead, black dogs were a small portion of the overall dog population, lets say 13% out of the 100%. And, lets say that the black dogs were more than 40 times more likely to bite you than the others. If this were true, we would not all see black dogs as dangerous and undesirable?
NOT because they were black, but because the color is the common denominator identifying a high risk. That is not discrimination based on color- it's rational judgement based on risk of danger, identified by the common denominator. That IS NOT racism.

If we return to the human side and look at the statistics that tell us what kind of differences in conduct are associated with race, we find that our nation is 13% black. We find that this 13% commit 53% of all murders, and that black people who kill often prey on their own- and more commonly kill black people. That black people have serious crimes rates in numerous categories that are multiples of other races, and are more than 40 times more likely to assault a white person than a white person is to assault them. How is it unreasonable that they would be seen differently?

This is of course not representative of all black people, it's the result of having a disproportionate level of anti-social and criminals among them. It's extremely unfair to the upstanding black citizens that will experience such things as being more watched than whites when they go into a store or primarily white neighborhood, or are treated with greater caution by police- but one should be able to see the connection between those things which will invariably be called "systemic racism" and the facts that say they are are often reasonable and prudent due to perceived risk that is not without good cause..

We have been supporting a vast effort on nearly every social front for more than 50 years to combat genuine racism, much of which was systemic. It's cost billions, taken a long time- and is quite successful.
What's missing is the black community coming to terms with the internal issues instead of denying the critical role they have, and acting to stop enabling people to use the claim of racism as an means of justifying harmful and irresponsible conduct. You hear almost nothing in that respect, see little effort within that community to even recognize it, let alone change it. This is the real systemic issue, the rejection of a reality within the black community that must be changed if the perception of black people is to change. Not just the perception by other races, but the perception of blacks by blacks, a thing vital to self-respect and pride.

Part of the attraction of claiming racism is the ability to avoid the responsibilities of universal personal and social issues. All people have things like that, but not all people can use race as a mitigating claim. People believing that everything that happens to them is a racist act rather than a result of conduct or decisions are rationalizing in a way that diminishes their own control of their lives, and that is always a bad thing to do. The more you can blame a lack of responsibility on others, the less the need for accepting it within an individual or a group. That perpetuates the inability to change; insures the issues will continue. While all people do things along that line, nowhere else is it so prevalent or destructive as in the abuse of the term racism.

The numbers I've referred to come from the crime statistics of the FBI, they are not speculative. Of course, they aren't the only relevant factors. Things for example like over 70% of black children being born to unwed mothers. 64% of black children living in single parent conditions, compared to 24% for white. These elements of environmental structure are very important in raising sound children- but we cannot pass laws that can force people to stay together and be good parents. Such things as that can only be changed by the people in the community itself, by the people who make it up. While that does have systemic elements perpetuating it, it does not come from the outside, nor can it be cured from the outside. The true systemic factor of racism today exists within the black community- not the others.

An interesting thing to look into is the complete history of slavery, as it has so much to do with the issues here. You find that the real slave traders were not white, but black; Africans capturing other Africans in raids, tribal wars and the like, and selling them as slaves- which was going on as long as 1000 years before white people ever set foot in Africa. Transported them to the northeast, across the Sahara and sold them in what is now mostly Arabic nations. And not just a few- but many hundreds of thousands. Slave capture and selling became the sustenance of many African tribes. Eventually, European ships bought slaves on the Atlantic coast areas around what is now Angola- from black slave traders.

IF you care to invest time following these origins, try this link:
https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtid=2&psid=440

Sorry for the long reply; this is something I've done a fair amount or research on. Hope it sheds some light on your questions.

 

Wow. If things were different things would be the same? That's an amazing insight. Tell me more about this fantasy timeline. What's the current state of healthcare and the economy "if we'd have left them alone"? Do they have access to the universe of knowledge stored on the internet? Are we also assuming the Japanese and the Spaniards before them "left them alone"? Do you know why they were such skilled navigators and what they did on those long trips? Did they abandon their clan structure and cease to war with other tribes over scarce island resources?

How would our having "left them alone" have impacted their modern day institutional racism?

 

I do appreciate the addition of that Smithsonian information to this thread, and I don't doubt that it includes a great deal of what all of us as Americans have believed and practiced as we established standards of freedom, and real personal wealth that have been the highest in the world among all leading nations.

But what I still cannot see is how ANY of that precludes the participation of Black people! What is there about any of those points that automatically discriminates against Black people, per se...?

Black people can, and do, work hard, achieve academic success, plan their lives through the establishment of goals, and possess objective, logical thought processes. So, where is the "Systemic Racism" that forbids their access to the American societal platforms that all the rest of us have? Latinos, Orientals, Whites have access to them, and so do Blacks. But the charge from the rioting, radical-Left is that Blacks are unique in suffering from "Systemic Racism"...(?)

 

The words "systemic racism" can be replaced with the words "angry ghosts" and the argument would not appreciably change. It is a pretext based on false pattern recognition, which ironically is exactly what racism is.