Please tell me exactly what "Systemic Racism" is! I'm very serious....

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  1. dairyair

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    Every state that seceded didn't have gin and cotton trade.
    But every state the seceded did list near the top, the slave trade in their declaration to secede.
     
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    Thank you, and I agree with you! After reading that story, I cannot think of one logical, fair-minded reason why Michael Ray Stepanek should have been given any leniency at all, even though the BLM protesters deliberately refused to let his car pass through. You can't just barge a car through people just because they're too obnoxious and stupid to let you pass on your way....

    Nevertheless, he didn't kill anybody, or hurt anybody to any great extent, evidently. The Iowa City police department asked those who were struck to come forward, but only one did. Stepanek was arrested and did spend 76 days in jail.

    Now, how is this one incident a telling example of "Systemic Racism" in the entire United States?
     
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    You make a very valid point, Dairy! The "racism" that exists in this country (and throughout much of the rest of the world) is that inside individual human beings -- but not "Systemic" as some kind of all-pervasive, omnipresent, state-endorsed behavior!

    Is there "racism" and race-hatred against people because OF race? YES! We can find many examples of it among all races against all OTHER races. But I still have not found a concrete example of "Systemic Racism" in the United States of America... even though the crass, political uses of it are many....
     
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    You need to ask why republicans also want illegal immigrants to flood the nation.
    Why do those republicans, like the most recent president have companies that hire them?
    And when it's found out his companies employed them, only fired them and didn't deport them.
    And the hiring managers, didn't receive any punishment. They should at the very least have been fired. But per law should be fined or jailed.

    As it is illegal to hire illegal immigrants, as much as it is illegal to be here undocumented.

    Last post on illegals, this is way way OT.
    Apologies to the OP.
     
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    The problem is that they don't think of systems in the same way we do. They combine all systems into a power oppression dynamic that everything functions within. So while we're talking about government as a stand alone system, they are (trying to) talk about the intersection of all systems.

    It's a mess of an argument because of its internal inconsistency, and fallacious value judgements it makes. Equality of opportunity is cast aside as oppressive. The demand is for equity or equal outcome. They get to decide what equal means. Sometimes it means a group that represents 12% of the population must be present at the same ratio in all outcomes regardless of individual choice. Sometimes it means homogenous groups must have equal (resources) as the other homogenous groups they compete against. (Woman's soccer for example.) And then you get the intersectionalists who push around group identities like pawns trying to figure who exactly they need to argue should be pushed up the stack and who should be pushed down it.

    If the outcome isn't equal, the general conclusion drawn is that the problem must be an unequal power dynamic and unequal power must be imposed by a constructed system. It's a sort of fallacy of reverse engineering.

    What they say they want is for everyone to achieve whatever outcome they want, and if they can't or don't, then it must have been the fault of the system.
     
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    Redlining, from what I read, was a big hinderance to the participation of Black people. They were denied loans because they lived in a certain neighborhood. And I think that practice went on well into the 1970s or 80s.
     
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    As I and you said, the civil rights act and laws ended the Systemic racism legally, in the USA.
    But it didn't end it in people. And if enough people in an area still practice covertly, the systemic part remains, but underground. Wink wink, nod, nod.
     
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    he did that time pre-trial cos he's too obnoxious and stupid to have any savings from his meth lab business to cover bail.
    a white judge sobbed over injustices suffered by the unrepentant racist and said go home and have a nice day! I love you, you're special.
     
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    It was an economic necessity for them. If Abraham Lincoln negotiated that to begin with, there's probably no civil war.
     
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    And has been pointed out many times, making something illegal, doesn't immediately end the practice. It just makes them go underground. Wink wink nod nod.
     
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    The south and other states that seceded didn't want to negotiate that. Slavery was on the republican platform for that election. Again, ALL States that seceded, included slavery as a reason for secession. I think it was top 5 in all states and the top issue in some.
     
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    Imagine if Mexico came in here and said "You can't have your electric grid anymore". As immoral as it was(and it was obviously immoral) asking the South to rip up their entire economic structure just to appease the Northern Abolitionists was never going to happen.

    And they did want to negotiate a mutual existence between themselves and the union, but Abe insisted on no negotiations with Jefferson Davis. Seriously, Abe was a terrible president. He was Bush before Bush. He got us into the civil war, over 600,000 Americans dead and half the union impoverished until the late 2010's.

    Yeah, swell guy. No, that's something I had to say back in K-12. But as a political analyst now, I hold Lincoln responsible for the civil war, he could've avoided it.
     
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    Systemic does not mean some kind of all-pervasive, omnipresent, state-endorsed behavior.
     
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    Your comment made me think of that albino guy from the Da Vinci Code whipping his back to atone for his sins.
     
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    good for you, you watch modern era movies and make comments. how's traitor trump doing these days? haven't heard much nastiness lol
     
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    I hope he is wallowing in guilt after he sabotaged the Georgia primaries, but let's try to stay somewhat on topic here.
     
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    What do you call a person like Robin Diangelo who has made herself a multi-millionaire by proclaiming herself a racist, writing books about it and facilitating CRT struggle sessions. She is keeping all of that money for herself and not giving any of it to the people she has admitted that she is racist against. This tends to be a pattern with the people pushing this idea. Typically they are some of the most privileged people in America and seem completely unwilling to do anything about their own privilege but are perfectly happy to point out the privilege of people significantly lower than them on the socio-economic ladder.

    Virtue signaling about your white privilege means absolutely nothing. I will believe that you believe it when you have given your job and possessions to a minority. I happened to EARN my position. I had to compete against other very qualified individuals.

    The inner city is failing because of liberal policy that has done nothing to counter the toxic culture that has arisen there. Trying to blame "systemic racism" for the problems that were created by leftist politicians in the inner city is beyond pathetic, it is actively evil. Liberals should accept responsibility for their failure and try different methodologies. This has NOTHING to do with conservatives who live in good neighborhoods. We don't have this problem. Liberal communities do. Solve it and quit blaming us.
     
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    Poor whites are screwed the same as poor blacks and there is a lot more of them.
     
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    Democrats want it for future votes. Republicans want it for cheap labor.

    See above. Cheap labor.

    Companies don't have the power to deport anybody.

    There aren't any consequences to a company for hiring illegals. That is tantamount to approval by the government.

    True. Immigration laws are mostly not enforced.[/quote]
     
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    Not all Republicans do want illegal Immigration just the kstreet crowd and some neo cons and there is one hell of a crossover between those two groups. It is by the hysterical that Biden, in order to show solidarity with illegal immigrants put a Bust of Cesar Chavez on the Resolute desk. This same Cesar Chavez once sent his union men to the southern border to chase illegal immigrants back south of the border...
     
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    You are probably right, Fangbeer -- the libs likely do 'lump everything together' so that "systems" are all-encompassing in the nation.

    I can only reply that we are not (and CAN NOT be) a nation that regulates what people like or don't like as purely personal preferences. The Constitution itself is very precise and exacting about what government functions are in all its branches, and that's why it was so important that we adopted the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965! To protect the rights of all citizens, and to give them the weapon of legal protection if anyone, including the government, tries to discriminate against them....

    As I've observed dozens of times, with the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, we made ALL CITIZENS EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW, and that is ALL that ANY government can do, unless it turns into a "1984"-esque nightmare of thought-control with an invasive 'Nazi' state which enforces extralegal 'attitudes' and behaviors.

    So... yes, there are Whites who don't like Blacks (and plenty of Whites who don't like "Orientals", either). There are Blacks who don't like Whites, "Orientals", etc., etc., etc., etc. And NO amount of smothering government 'intervention' can change that. But we as citizens must (MUST) treat each other with civility, respect, decency, and LEGALITY, within the framework of our legal systems! Nothing less! And nothing more! There is "racism" among private individuals of ALL colors, but it must never be practiced in any way that breaks the LAW.

    That said, truly, there is no (NO) "Systemic Racism" in the United States, except in the minds and in the plans of those who want to use it as a tool to ram through their own political faction's agenda with propaganda, distortion, manipulation, and misattribution of FACT.

    Conclusion: No law-abiding citizen of the United States should ever be discriminated FOR or AGAINST by any governmental entity -- PERIOD! And anyone who violates this essential tenet of American law should be punished to the full extent of the law.... :flagus:
     
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    Of course, this rating system is confounded by the SJW's projection of what they think individuals should want. You don't hear too much complaint of the lack of female representation in coal mining. And you don't hear a bias argument against the statistically unbalanced male violent crime incarceration rate.
     
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    That, and the fact that the only proposed solutions to perception of systemic racism are themselves systemic racism.

    It's putting out a house fire with a flame thrower.
     
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    The arguments for eliminating California's civil rights legislation was so that they could write in institutionally biased legislation...
     
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    I read the study. It makes quite a few racist assumptions. Examples of "whitening" your resume include adding a fondness for hiking and skiing, excluding participation in foreign sounding groups, and using English aliases. This from a study of 1600 applications with less than 300 callbacks total. If you get one callback as Li and two as Lee that's doubled your callback rate, but it's hardly a solid bias argument since they didn't include any data regarding who they were getting callbacks from and they never actually interviewed with any of these companies. It would certainly be interesting to see the rates of actual employment within the same sample group.
     

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