Police Brutality And Respect For The Law

Nearly 2000 years ago, the Roman police put on Jesus a crown of thorns and a robe that said “King of the Jews.”

Given recent happenings in Australian state of Victoria, it appears that police has not changed much since that time.

Now the man whom they attacked was not Jesus; he was however innocent. And the entire episode got caught on camera, which is not something that happens often. And if an episode of police brutality gets caught on camera, imagine how many other episodes of police brutality go undetected.

I knew of a woman who had been raped while in a mental hospital. When she told the staff, they hosed her down with ice-cold water. I have known women who were brutally attacked by men, which men then went to the police and told them that the woman attacked them. And I also know people who've put in heroic effort into fighting corruption in the court system, only to get slandered and falsely litigated in absense of evidence.

Sometimes police corruption runs in departments. There have been three major movies – Chinatown, Changeling and another one whose name I forget – about corruption in the Los Angeles police department. Of course there is even harder evidence for corruption in that department: the Rodney King tapes. It appears that some departments resist efforts to correct them. And it appears that we see the same thing in Victoria.

Sometimes efforts to fight police corruption do bear fruit. It has been done effectively in Brazil, where police used to be so corrupt as to shoot sewer children for sport. It obviously also has to be done in Australia. It is wrong for police to act in sadistic and dishonorable manner; and the police acting in such a manner discredits law enforcement and law as such.

It is this that is the real damage done here. If police act like they did in that episode, then that discredits the law. This in turn leads many people to violate the law who otherwise would respect it. And that is very bad for the country.

If the police want people to follow the law – as they should – then they need to be leading by example. You do not hose people down with ice water for informing that they have been raped. You do not repeatedly spray someone with pepper spray while saying “how do you like the taste of it maite.” You do not – as happened in America – undress a woman and leave her naked in a cell for six hours because she called the police when her cousin got violent. You dedicate your life to enfocing the law, follow the law yourself. Otherwise any gangster can say that the police are a bunch of hypocrites and “pigs” and that the city should belong to the gangsters.

So it is time that more police departments perform audits of their employees. Once again, police violating the law discredits the law. And the more the police get a grip on themselves, the fewer people see them as hypocrites and the more people actually have respect for the law.

 

Hard to understand any of that.
I do not speak Russian transliteration to English.

 

Funny how right wingers on this forum so often condemn government abuses but go strangely silent when it comes to police abuses. No talk of the 2d Amendment by these hypocrites now, is there ?

 

Police are independently hired. They are not handed the jobs because of their law abiding ways, they get hired because they submitted an application. Not all who fill out applications are honest.

Chief of police? Head of department? After being on the force for 20+ years?

Where's the incentive? Personal character.

 

OK so tell us how you are going to audit the police to prevent these things from happening?

What are you going to do...question them, make them take tests?

What?

What are your standards for disqualification....you brought this up so show some balls and be specific for once.

 

So what are you proposing ?

What do you think Civilian review boards are for ?
Internal Affairs ?

Because there exists methods within the law.

 

Civilian review boards are of no value if the cops are held to a different standard than are everyone else.

Cops claim "self defense" when shooting someone because they thought they saw a gun when it was merely a bare hand. Because of this they get away with murder. Yo try such a 'defense' and you'll spend the rest of your life in jail. Apply the same standard across the board and we will have a freer and safer society.

And while I cannot speak for Australia, I again say what I've said before as a solution to the USA's police crimes: disarm the cops, and arm the people pursuant to the 2d Amendment. That will stop police crimes. If you are a principled conservative rather than a make believe one as are so many forum right wingers, you would agree with me.

 

Its not about preventing this from happening - it is about recognizing that people are generally arrogant, self serving, controlling, corruptible, lack objectivity, xenophobic, and often downright nasty.

And ... Police are People. The "one bad apple" analogy is a gross understatement. The whole crop is full of bad apples .. its the nature of people... and Police are people.

The problem however is not so much Police. The problem is bad law and law that violates individual liberties. The problem is increased Gov't power which translates into increased police power.

Power corrupts and more power corrupts more. Bad law puts citizens in confrontational situations with police and bad law decreases the respect of citizens for law enforcement and makes citizens more likely to act out against "the system" - and police (being the errand boys of the state) are on the front lines of this battle.

Lets look at some examples. The war on drugs is mainly a war on Pot - meaning most police resources are spent on Pot. We know that prohibition creates crime. Al Capone was made possible by prohibition .. and all the violence and crime that went with it.

Laws against pot are also a violation of individual liberty - and everyone that does not realize this does not understand the main principle on which this nation was founded.

Many say - well .. whats the big deal. The problem is that people in general don't realize that belief in individual liberty is not belief "Only in liberty for things one agrees with". It is belief in liberty for things one does not like. If one does not like pot .. don't smoke it.

There is a difference between 1) Having a belief and 2) forcing that belief on others through physical violence (Law).

Pot is just one small examples - there are hundreds. The problem is that when you allow violation of liberty in one area - this sets a precedent which spreads out like a plague.

From a top down perspective we see a lack of respect for individual liberty in general among the populace - in particular the younger generations.

This should be no surprise. When the Gov't has not respect for individual liberty .. what does this teach our children ?

 

So in other words, there is nothing you can do to prevent it.

lol

Gotcha

 

The average citizen does not face those situations on almost a daily basis.

You don't see that difference?

Wow

 

Me? I can do nothing. I am not even a hiring personnel.

 

Government corruption/abuses involves the same persons the police corruption/abuses does. Some only have 1 corruption/abuse over them, others have 2.

 

When right wingers such as Oath Keepers, Tea Party, KKK, Republicans, and others who claim they believe in the 2d Amendment, fail to bring crooked cops to justice, it proves they are a bunch of phonies, Pharisees, and political hypocrites. There just isn't a bigger groups of charlatans that right wingers. None whatsoever.

 

I am referring to right wing political hypocrites.

 

But the Left ￦ing does nothing but Whine and manage smoke and mirrors, you only peg Conservative Republicans with the task, why doesn't the LW do something about it then ???

You do it then.

 

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992)
Amendment II

To believe in 1 Amendment but disregard the others? The right to due process? The right for grievances to be redressed? The rule of law? The right for safety when traveling in other States?

The right to live in a well regulated militia?

mi·li·tia

noun

1. a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
   • a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities, typically in opposition to a regular army.
   • all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.

mi·li·tia

n.
1. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
2. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
3. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/militia

A well regulated militia in a sociosexualsocial environment.

Offense # of Inmates % of Inmates
Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement 497 0.3%
Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses 8,119 4.7%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 377 0.2%
Courts or Corrections 780 0.5%
Drug Offenses 79,094 46.2%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 10,983 6.4%
Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses 5,581 3.3%
Immigration 12,134 7.1%
Miscellaneous 1,272 0.7%
National Security 63 0.0%
Robbery 6,367 3.7%
Sex Offenses 16,104 9.4%
Weapons, Explosives, Arson 29,987 17.5%

www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp

In October 2013, the incarceration rate of the United States of America was the highest in the world, at 716 per 100,000 of the national population. While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate

Intentional homicide:
UNODC murder rates, most recent year [1]
Region Rate Count
Americas - 16.3 - 157,000
Africa - 12.5 -135,000
World - 6.2 - 437,000
Europe - 3.0 - 22,000
Oceania - 3.0 - 1,100
Asia - 2.9 - 122,000

CITATION:
[1]. The main table in this article uses only the latest homicide data that UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime) has published at UNODC Statistics Online. It has some 2013, 2014, and 2015 data for some countries.

Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants.

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,.."

Question: what came first? Amendment II or a non well regulated militia?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. (Individual rights)

In a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. (Collective rights)

What came first? 'We the People' or 'I the Person'?

 

Is that different from Left ￦ing Political Hypocrites ?

 

I know that better than you do.

The point is, these right wing hypocrites insist on having weapons as per the 2d Amendment in order to rid society of government tyranny. But when the government tyrants are cops, suddenly they support the government as opposed to the innocent victims of these tyrants.

Nothing worse than right wing hypocrisy of these Pharisees.

 

Hmm..only the right winged? Would guns cease to be if the U.S. was left winged from here on out? What about the private business sector to gun manufacturing?

My solution? Take away all 'arms' post 1787 and allow for 2nd amendment rights .

List of infantry weapons in the American Revolution

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_infantry_weapons_in_the_American_Revolution

Why is this not feasible to today's mentality?

Threats, Hollywood and independent profits.

 

I was a Police Agent, and was offered another go as Cheif Constable, My retention of My Sidearm is for perhaps running into a hardened Criminal, not your average freind, and even when People have beaten me physically, I did not pull My Gun on them.

As to the other, being a whistle blower is a deaths sentence.

 

I was a Federal agent for 12 years. Never once did I pull a weapon on anyone. The only time I took legal action against anyone was to issue a summons for non-compliance with the tax laws. Over the years dozens of people commended me for my professionalism in treating people with respect while adhering to all administrative regulations.

Cops need to treat people equally well. They need to be respectful, obedient to the law, and adhering to administrative rules. If they did so without any form of prejudice, nobody would hate cops.

 

I will readily admit that this is a good start.

But with today's rapid mobility which we did not have in those days, I suggest that bazookas, Thompson machine guns, Apache helicopters, Howitzers, and Abrams M-1A2 tanks would be much more preferable and have greater utility. This way we can be free of police tyranny and have a more peaceful society.

Once the government sees that we are in control, then it can go do its true function which is to provide for the common welfare by serving, not tyrannizing, the public.

 

Yeah sure, Federal Agent ?

I call Shenanigans, not for the firearms part or the never having fired a shot, or even the only time I took legal action against anyone was to issue a summons for non-compliance with the tax laws.

Not even the total gun ban.

No, the dead giveaway was,

I will readily admit that this is a good start.

But with today's rapid mobility which we did not have in those days, I suggest that bazookas, Thompson machine guns, Apache helicopters, Howitzers, and Abrams M-1A2 tanks would be much more preferable and have greater utility. This way we can be free of police tyranny and have a more peaceful society.

Once the government sees that we are in control, then it can go do its true function which is to provide for the common welfare by serving, not tyrannizing, the public.
*****

That was the Dead giveaway, not even an F.B.I. Trainee would dare to even hint at such a thing, except in a purely negative or joking sense.

 

Except for left wing hypocrites. Compared to left wing dishonesty, right wing honesty is downright refreshing.

 

Consistency is preferable to duplicity.

Revelation 3:15-16 King James Version (KJV)

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

The LW is well known for a lack of honesty, and lack of consistency,
Hence not to be trusted as far as you can throw.