Police Execution Squads, the Tyrannical Government that Supports them.

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    No you dont, there is no need for all that annoying red tape, today you are tried judged and executed at the scene by Rambo Dredd
    Isolated? Citation?
    I dont get traffic stopped, but if I did I would be terrified Rambo Dredd might go bezerko and shoot me in your land of the free, then get away with it because the unconstitutional cancer is spreading thanks to people that think its appropriate law enforcement procedure to shoot unarmed kids in the back.
     
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    I have only had two traffic stops in my long life and neither presented a problem. We did teach our children to respect the police and stay calm even if they thought they were in the right.

    Simple things like obey orders. Keep your hands in plain view and don't behave in a threatening manner.

    Police officers have HUNDREDS of encounters every month. I think we have to consider that.

    My black friends tell me they have taught their children the same thing.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Ah, thinning out the herd then?
    Shoot them because they are dumb asses?
    No we dont have to consider that, we are talking about a life being snuffed by Rambo Dredd, this is not a ****ing percentage game FFS.
     
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    You mean act like an idiot or behave in a threatening manner and NOT expect a reaction from the police?

    Really? Really?
     
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    Then move to a different country, any country, where law enforcement officers are not authorized to use deadly force against suspects on the grounds that they are afraid for their lives. Cease complaining about something that simply cannot be fixed within the confines of currently existing system within the united states, and simply find a better one that is more accomidating of the needs on the part of yourself.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    There you go, instead of fixing the Rambo Dredd and its associated tyranny problem insist those who protest the unjust treatment and murder of the uneducated or mentally handicapped move out of their country and defecate all over those who died to protect our rights memorialized in the constitution.

    I said these psychopathic Rambo Dredd types spin 'fear for their life' which is most often nothing more than made up bullshit because they can get away with it.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Pray tell, how many decades, if not outright centuries, would it actually take to go about "fixing" the system as it currently exists?

    In order to go about actually "fixing" the system as it is, it would require the confirmation of no less than a minimum of five justices to the united state supreme court, who are unanimous not only in their belief that law enforcement is the enemy of the people and must be curtailed at any cost, but also in the belief that existing and legally binding precedent can and should be abandoned whenever they deem it convenient or necessary.

    To go about achieving such, five other justices to the united state supreme court would have to be removed from the equation, either due to retirement, death due to physical illness, or orchestrating their murder to forcefully create vacancies that need to be filled. To go about filling those vacancies, it would be necessary for the public to elect not only a president of the united states, but also a majority of senators who openly campaigned on the message of law enforcement being the enemy of the people, and who would confirm judicial nominees who shared such a belief above all else.

    The entirety of the above would be necessary, just to overturn established precedent to prevents change and fixing from occurring. Implementing actual, meaningful, physical change to the system as it currently exists, is an entirely different matter.

    To begin with, everyone who is currently employed by law enforcement would need to be terminated, with steps taken to ensure these individuals can never serve in a law enforcement capacity again. All of the existing training standards currently in place would have to be completely redone from the ground up. And it would be necessary to recruit millions of individuals to become new law enforcement officers, all while making it perfectly clear to them that they can and will be held financially and criminally liable for whatever misdeed they may commit, regardless of what their intentions were at the time.

    Pray tell. What exactly is it being proposed on the part of yourself to "fix" the system as it currently exists, that differs from the above assessment of the matter?
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Just like the rest of us! Good fix
     
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    Not so. In the UK you can not sue a police officer because no police officer will take a risk or do anything with risk in case he /she is sued. The result is that no police force could function. Example: Child held at knifepoint by a thug - officer arrives on the scene - he then thinks, I have no protection for making a decision based on the instant situation because if I err I will be sued. The police could not function.
     
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    U.S. news
    Texas police officer shoots woman to death inside her home
    A Fort Worth police officer checking out a residence with an open door opened fire on a 28-year-old woman inside her home.

    The shooting early Saturday occurred less than two weeks after a police officer in nearby Dallas was found guilty of murder for fatally shooting a man in his home in 2018. In both cases, the officers are white and the victims were African American.

    "If you don't feel safe with the police department, then who do you feel safe with?" Smith said.

    "What kind of training is that? What kind of training is that? You don't announce yourself, you don't let a person know?" she said, her voice breaking.

    Lee Merritt, an attorney for Jefferson's family, said Jefferson had been babysitting her 8-year-old nephew at the time of the shooting.

    The September 2018 killing of Botham Jean in Dallas sparked national headlines. Amber Guyger, the then-officer convicted of murdering her neighbor, said she had mistakenly entered the wrong apartment after a long shift on patrol when she believed someone was in her home, and then she opened fire.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...r-shoots-woman-death-inside-her-home-n1065451

    What you think no one gets sued?
     
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    Except for the simple fact that no individual will actually sign up to become a law enforcement officer once they learn that qualified immunity no longer exists, and each of their actions will be subject to intense scrutiny to determine if they committed some transgression in the heat of the moment that can result in legal repercussions.

    Once again. What exactly is it being proposed on the part of yourself to "fix" the system as it currently exists? So far what is being called for by yourself is breaking the system.
     
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    In the UK the degree of accountability, whether negligence, trespass, recklessness is settled. (and I did say the UK in my last thread) it is obvious no officer is protected when he/she behaves outside their link to duty. My point is that YOU are generalising as in "ALL police" or at least you are implying "ALL police" are gung ho.
    I gave the example of the hostage by knife, you have chosen to ignore that and again you generalise. I am not generalising.
    What I said is fact in UK. I am not seeking approval. It does not take a genius to realise human behaviour - via responsibility/duties as a police officer, will only take so much, they are not forced to stay in the police.
     
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    Assertively and intelligently. I've been stopped dozens of times and have never paid them a dime.

    But of course flashing both my patrolman and command officers union courtesy cards helps a lot in those situations.
     
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    True incident: I was in charge of a custody suite. A prisoner had serious chest pains. Some officers were a bit unsure. As the person in charge, I had to make an instant decision. I was in charge and promoted to said position because I was adjudged to have the ability to deal with serious problems. I ordered the prisoner to be unlocked, we did out first aid bit and I assumed it was a heart problem (because I wanted to act on him not dying under my care). There was a prisoner 3 cells along, who was a Doctor (he was arrested for a sex offence against a patient) I instructed that he be unlocked to deal with this sick prisoner, as I feared it was a heart attack. The officers told me we can not unlock another prisoner it is a strict violation. I told them they will unlock the doctor. Which they did. The doctor did his work on the prisoner and informed me it is definitely NOT a heart problem and his life is not under threat. I had already called an ambulance. It turned out to be some acid in the stomach problem and he had a flu-like symptom related to his kidneys.
    The thing is: I knew what I was doing and there was a risk with 2 prisoners out of the cells. But I also knew there is no way they could overpower me and the 3 officers... nor were they of such a high-security risk. Now, If I was reported and disciplined for opening 2 cells allowing 2 prisoners out there is no way I could think and manage an incident again without wondering if I will be disciplined or sued. I would just sit and wait for the ambulance, when I had a doctor a few feet away.
     
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    I saw that show too.
     
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    Well done. Glad you didn't wait for the policy manual.
     
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    Why do you belittle my account of an actual incident involving me. I can assure you every single word is true. OK, if you are joking I apologise but if you are saying I am a liar then say so outright.
     
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    You violated protocol, you most certainly could have been both disciplined and sued, your point fails.
     
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    They already appear to be, thats not the problem, the problem is the only ones that get prosecuted are the ones that are 100% blatantly obvious to the point 20 IQ would protest and even sometimes those get swept under the carpet, thats the real problem.
    I dont work for LE
    How would I fix it? Id start throwing these rambos in prison without a key and and prosecute every judicial that clearly swept these events under the carpet for deriliction of duty and willful negligence.
    I said no such thing
    I implied no such thing

    The system is the way I said and we have a long trail of corpses in the wake and Rambos that were never prosecuted.

    If you want an itemized listing of every event to satisfy your piety than I suggest that you do your own research and when you have a terrabytes worth then come back and talk about it. GIYF

    Some people are very familiar with the reality of this country and the american dream.

     
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    Its called operational management and leadership. Thats what I was paid to be and do. I was not a newby, I had vast experience of many years in a number of operational positions. I was thanked and commended for what I did by my superiors. What would you have done?
     
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    Oh, that old trick. You can buy a badge in the USA for a few dollars. My mate was an SAS senior officer a good old laugh as well.
     
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    And as was stated previously, such is not going to be a viable option so long as things remain as they are. Short of the confirmation of a minimum of five new justices to the united state supreme court, who are unanimous in the belief that law enforcement is the enemy of the people, nothing will ever change. Therefore all of the complaining that is being done on the part of yourself amounts to absolutely nothing but static and background noise. It will never serve to make a difference, as public outrage is entirely insufficient to change established precedent.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Same thing, however that does not change the fact that both you and I would have violated protocol and could have been sued
    See now I never said that, its your dramatized over simplification of my position.
    As we remember the revolution
     
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    Then explain precisely, not only what is being proposed on the part of yourself, but also how that proposal would go about being carried out and made real.

    The same revolution that involved many individuals willing to commit treason, numerous incidents that could be considered war crimes, and a great many killings?
     
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    "Same thing"! I know many in my then job, same rank or higher, who would never think outside the box. I have always acted in a maverick style, but not reckless, I think it through and make the decision and, by the way, totally willing to take the consequences.
     

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