Police fire tear gas at Pride parade activists in Istanbul

Are you serious or just trying to be funny?

 

An unanswered question. With the number of so called evils the bible warns of, from eating shellfish to a long list of strange prohibitions, why is it homosexuality is now a major focus for Christian fundamentalist hatred? From my perspective this has about it a stench of obsession driven by repressed self loathing. Too freudian and explanation? I’m happy to hear of other theories.

 

Allah Akbaarrrr you mean ..

 

Are you serious? If not can I refer you Sura 3.V 7-10 of the Koran as evidence the Hebrew God is indeed similar to Allah in bloodthirstyness.

 

Allah and the Hebrew God are the same one.
The problem is Allah's followers... Remember them ?
Those who flew a plane into the Twin towers ... those who behead people is Iraq and Syria ... those who kill people in Nigeria ... those who rape poor Yazidis ... and so on ...
The list is endless !!

 

Do you honestly believe Christian societies are equivalent to Islamic societies??

Think Christian Europe in the Middle Ages and compare that with many parts of the Middle East today.

Maybe there are some similarities, from your perspective, but you are being very disingenuous if you are claiming they are on the same level.

 

Yes, we had a thread on it at the time when they were trying to get the Death Sentence in Uganda. I did quite a bit of reading. Bye the way do you know Stephen Fry. He traveled around various African Countries doing a documentary on it. In case you do not know he himself is gay. I think I am remembering this correct - what he heard and how people spoke upset him so much he attempted suicide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whos-helping-finance-ugandas-kill-the-gays-bill-you-are_b_2229509

Globalising the Culture Wars
US Conservatives, African Churches and Homophobia

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The Republicans nowadays from what I hear have been taken over by the Christian Right. Trump has said Pence wants to hang all gays and just recently we had a thread here about some political person declaring all LGBT would need to be killed.

It is not a definite but we can see already how the US has moved with respect to Israel to satisfy the Christian Right going against International law. We know that some states have made abortion illegal in all but in word - although I was reading today that the courts in one state had said it was unconstitutional.

It really doesn't matter what your current programs say. They can change the message very quickly. I'd say it is definitely a possibility in the US as is fascism. The hard right traditionally hates gays. It likes to be macho and that has not changed. The hard right is becoming more strong in the US. I would hope the US would move in the opposite direction and there certainly are people working for that but that is for the future to see.

Well what I know is that left wing Americans who I read believe that despite the differences, whether you have republicans or democrats next, unless they recognise that neo liberalism is finished and start working for all of the people in the US in a truly democratic manner, the likelihood is fascism and Chris Hedges suggests that will be Christian Fascism where one of the first people they will come after are people like himself a Christian, son of a Minister and himself trained as one.

You also need to look at who is in charge of your Supreme Court.....but I am not saying it is a done deal at all. It is though a strong possibility and I suspect that the only thing which will prevent this is the move to the left the Democrats are doing. Apart from everything else, like the increasing effect of climate disaster, the increasing poverty and inability to get work by the wwc and indeed middle class will move people towards the hard right through their rightful anger if something more benign is not produced...that leads to them being conned and fascism.

 

How about this theory.

Projection my dear man, projection by the Christianphobes.

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Do as we say you lowly fool,
and follow us in ancient rule,
of pagan rites and flagrant life,
and effete men begetting strife. - Jeannette


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lol
There are MASSIVE amounts of immigrants with all kinds of religious backgrounds and different cultural background working with no problem in the Middle East. Something that wouldn't be accepted in a country like the US, who got a massive problem with people with a different culture and religion.

 

That. Same god as the jew and christian god.

 

Yep, that god. Followers are muslim, jews, and christians. All have done horrible things in the name of that god.

 

Never heard of that. While some are proud to be Islamophobes.

 

And even more horrible things have been done in the name of other gods. Actually the Abrahamic faiths were a civilizing factor, so just imagine what was going on. But then again you don't have to imagine, we're getting there. All you have to do is look at what we've done to the Middle East.

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The US was built by immigrants and there were problems - even wars. But each immigrant group assimilated in time. The ones who suffered the most were the Irish because they were poverty stricken and came en masse because of the potato famine. But even worse, they were Catholics.

 

I have no problem with homosexuals and their Parade. I myself am hetero and proud!

 

Trump joked once about Pence wanting to hang Gays. That is pretty thin proof of an onslaught of anti-Gay bigotry. Polls have shown that support of Gay rights has expanded greatly in the USA.
Holywood, which is our biggest opinion-maker, has always been Liberal, and that is not going to change. American Liberals, metaphorically speaking, make their living 'tilting at windmills.' That is
to say they greatly exaggerate to win support for their views. There is not the remotest chance that the USA will become a fascist state. Democracy is alive and well here, and Trump will most
likely be gone in a couple of years. The major networks recently decided not to broadcast Trump's Washington 4th of July Celebration - do you think they would have dared to do that if they really
thought we were on the verge of fascism? That they have no fear of arousing the President's wrath shows that Democracy is not endangered here. By the way, I must say I appreciate your
postings, you are obviously very thoughtful and don't resort to insults and name calling like so many of the other Liberal posters do.

 

Only white Christian immigrants.

Oh yeah... they made them work on them plantation. Got raped to make babies who got sold to the highest bidder.

Seems obvious you need a lot more black history months to rub this whole in.

 

The Holocaust was done by Christians, not Muslims.

 

The Holocaust was done by the Nazis - who hated Christainity. Heinrich Himmler, 1937, "We live in an era of the ultimate conflict with Christianity. It is part of the mission of the SS to give the German
people in the next half century the non-Christian ideological foundations on which to lead and shape their lives."

In January 1934, Hitler apponited Alfred Rosenberg as the cultural and educational leader of the Reich. "Rosenberg was a neo-pagan and notoriously anti-Catholic." Wikipedia. "during the war,
Rosenberg outlined the future envisioned by the Hitler government for religion in Germany." "Among its articles; the National Reich Church of Germany was to claim exclusive control over all churches; publication of the Bible was to cease; crucifixes, Bibles and saints were to be removed from alters; and Mein Kampf was to be placed on alters as {to the German nation and therefore to God the most
sacred book}; and the Christian Cross was to be removed from all churches and replaced with the swastika."

Another Wikipedia article says, "Documents used in evidence at the Nuremberg Trials concluded that the Nazis planned to de-Christianise Germany." And, "important leaders of the National Socialist party
would have liked complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion."

 

There are polls around how Christian Nazi Germany was.... and top of my head,... it was something like over 90%. So whatever Himmler said,... didn't matter. The Nazi's were almost all Christian.

 

Sure it did, it may not have repulsed you but black men were hanged because they were with a white woman. That seems like the extreme side of repulsion.

By that metric young gay couples are fine since it has always been tolerated during their lifetime, yes?

This is why your side keeps losing battle after battle, your narrative is as extremist as flying planes into buildings. Once people have seen how absolutely insane the anti-gay crowd is there was no going back.

Most Americans support same sex marriages.

The sentence applies to you — you are the one trying to impose your standards on the majority.
Thankfully you have been laughed out of the room.

Since you love biblical law, 1 Timothy 2:11-15 “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent”

I assume you are a woman by your picture and name — will you be turning yourself in to the religious police or do we need to send them to your home? You seem awfully opinionated to be a woman. ​

 

You are making the mistake of assuming all Germans were Nazis. They weren't. Most Germans were at least nominally Christian, but the Nazi leadership was anti-Christian, many of them were
neo-pagans, following ancient pre-Christian religious practices. Among those were Himmler and, as mentioned in my above post, Alfred Rosenberg the Nazis' cultural and educational leader of
the Reich. The average German was unaware of their leaders' real religious views - just as the average German was unaware of the Holocaust. The concentration camp guards were drawn from
Himmler's SS - which was the least Christian part of the German armed forces. Himmler himself hated Christainity and tried to purge all Christian influences from the SS. If the Nazis were Christian, they certainly wouldn't have planned to stop
the Bible from being published

 

Nope. I am saying the % of Germans who were Christians was THAT high, that the Germans who were nazi's were predominantly Christian. And so them Christians killed them Jews. That some high ranking Nazi had his idea about Christianity, doesn't change a thing to who did what.

 

Secularism is the civilizing factor. Secularism doesn't care if one is LGBTQ or non white or non same religion. So no, I don't have to imagine. The less religion is a factor in life, the less bigotry the world has.

 

As pointed out in my above post, concentration camp guards were drawn from the SS, which was the least Christian part of the German armed forces. Himmler commanded the SS and worked to
purge it of all Christian influence. To quote from the Time-Life book the SS, "In death as inlife, the SS sought to distinguish its members from the uninitiated. For SS men who had renounced church ties - as a majority of those in the armed units did - an alternative to Chriistian burial was devised." After an elaborate neo-pagan ceremony fallen SS men were buried under rune shaped markers rather than
crosses (runes were "symbols employed by the warlike peoples of northern Europe in pagan times." There should be a distinction made between the gullible, uniformed average German, many of whom
were at least nominally Christian, and the Nazi leadership, which was actively anti-Christian. If you are interested, read the Wikipedia article 'Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany.' No I am
not Catholic.