Police State Rejection and Civic Responsibility

Look up the events while Serpico was a N.Y.C Police Officer, there are numerous times where Police Officers attempted to or succeeded in coercion or having others commit serious crimes, murder or other Felonies etc...

 

There have been misunderstandings before and not every cop is a great person. Overall police are wonderful people doing a tough job.

 

For the simple, basic purpose that law enforcement are still utilizing the quota system, as has been proven by undercover recordings. Law enforcement officers must meet a minimum standard of performance or they can be denied overtime, benefits, vacation time, promotion, or any number of other employment benefits.

 

Refuse to comply with what, a person or group of persons who have no more authority over me or anyone else in all reality? As I am apt to state and have stated I the past, no one has any authority over anyone else; if you are a parent you already know this fact. Case and point, as a parent you may not want your child to do X, Y, or Z, but if the child is adamant about doing one, two or all, they will do so, regardless to your opposition to their desire(s). Sometimes the child may and will do exactly what you asked him or her not to do in front of you, depending on their age and determination; even at the cause of a threatened act of discipline. This proves beyond any doubt that a person has no authority over another. In accepting this reality, you learn to ask, NOT COMMAND or DEMAND that another person do as you have asked, but what I have stated is only for those who respect another person’s sovereignty as an individual or Human Being. Such is not for people who falsely believe that they have some type of authority (divine or otherwise) over another or others. This is about mutual respect of mutually natural-born rights, i.e. Natural Rights. Only mad people think differently on this issue, even the founders of this nation knew the reality of natural limitation of power ( a person only has authority over himself) which is why in regards to slavery and Indian territories, the steps where taken to ensure that their so-called supremacy remained in tact. You cannot hold a knowledgeable Man in bondage.

 

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Oh, you will be surprised, about your vaunted police agents in these United states of [North] america, crank.
Look into James Duckett for starters, after that you may want to browse through this: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cops-arrested_us_576c2e13e4b0cedfa4b9470f.
I am not saying that every cop in these United States is bad, because that would be ignorant. What I AM saying is that many of them are nothing more than vicious animals that are supported by your local D.A.s, Judges, Mayors, Governors, and even the President of these United States. On top of that, there is the issue of self-governance and self-rule, which is what this country is supposedly premised upon which is nothing short of fiction with the current batch of Beasts in public office.

 

I'm not in America.

 

by far and without any formal and true law keeping... you can get arrested for being harrased by the police.

Although police are given certain 'authorities' by its hiring management team and Law Enforcing Entity, they are beginning to take their responsibilities lightly. They are no longer defending and protecting but they are now beginning enforce and mandate. Defending and protecting is a defensive attitude whereas enforcing and mandating is an offensive attitude. Those with authority should not 'bully' themselves onto a civilian no matter what might have not been understood.

Matthew 13:41-42 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Police abusing their authority is a sign of mental disclarity on their part but the scary part is that these unclear minded and headed authorities are carrying around loaded guns.

How the entire police team might become as 'bullies' with attitudes is unclear but it definitely isn't what the Police Department was established for.

For another Police officer to not correct the wrong officer is the same as bullying.

Don't worry though, The Holy Angels will correct this just as Jesus has promised.. don't worry...

The Holy Angels are ON THE SIDE of Jesus.. They are part of the Heavenly Kingdom which Governs the entire Universe... don't worry.. they know how to do their jobs...

Human beings 'pretending' to be something greater than they are is offensive, to me.

Humans are given the right to enjoy their God given lives. They are not mandated to be under some kind of chained down rule. God never created humans to be chained down. Kids are given the right to be kids.. Youths are given the right to be youths. Adults, on the other hand, are given the rights to decide and judge and reprove and correct, as adults.

For any human being to restrict the God given rights to another individual is against God's Governmental Policies.

For an adult to complacently sit around and watch as a child is kidnapped into child slavery, is infringing upon the right of that child, which is held accountable, as a conspirator to kidnapping, in The Court of God's Jurors.

I find these sorts of adult attitudes offensive. They definitely should NOT be in positions of rule making or law enforcing positions in society.

Psalm 8:3-9

"When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

4What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

5For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

6Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

7All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;

8The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.

9O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!"


How is it that man has left their posts of caring for those things which God has placed under their feet, to rule and to govern and to nurture and provide for; for their well being and not for personal pocket book increases?

if all of these could cry out to God and have their voices heard, the human race might have all been kapoot by now..

the human individual might say, 'that is unfair, to me'.. 'I do not want to serve a God like that'.. Out from 1 human heart came the whole entire world's complaints and murmurings to God about HIS unfairness.

That is unfair to ME.. it might not be unfair to the beasts and fish and all other life forms.. but it is unfair to ME...

That might be one reason why we are blessed with Children.. To teach us about responsibilities and to teach us how to be concerned towards others.

1 Timothy 2:15 "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety."

Otherwise; if they continue in being a family.

 

Armed and Dangerous: If Police Don’t Have to Protect the Public, What Good Are They?
By John W. Whitehead

In the American police state, police have a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later.

In fact, police don’t usually need much incentive to shoot and kill members of the public.

Police have shot and killed Americans of all ages—many of them unarmed—for standing a certain way, or moving a certain way, or holding something—anything—that police could misinterpret to be a gun, or igniting some trigger-centric fear in a police officer’s mind that has nothing to do with an actual threat to their safety.

In recent years, Americans have been killed by police merely for standing in a “shooting stance,” holding a cell phone, behaving oddly and holding a baseball bat, opening the front door, running in an aggressive manner holding a tree branch, crawling around naked, hunching over in a defensive posture, wearing dark pants and a basketball jersey, driving while deaf, being homeless, brandishing a shoehorn, holding a garden hose, and peeing outdoors.

So when police in Florida had to deal with a 19-year-old embarking on a shooting rampage inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., what did they do?

Nothing.

There were four armed police officers, including one cop who was assigned to the school as a resource officer, on campus during that shooting. All four cops stayed outside the school with their weapons drawn (three of them hid behind their police cars).

Not a single one of those cops, armed with deadly weapons and trained for exactly such a dangerous scenario, entered the school to confront the shooter.

Seventeen people, most of them teenagers, died while the cops opted not to intervene.

Let that sink in a moment.

Now before your outrage bubbles over, consider that the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed (most recently in 2005) that police have no constitutional duty to protect members of the public from harm.

Yes, you read that correctly.

According to the U.S. Supreme Court, police have no duty, moral or otherwise, to help those in trouble, protect individuals from danger, or risk their own lives to save “we the people.”

In other words, you can be outraged that cops in Florida did nothing to stop the school shooter, but technically, it wasn’t part of their job description.

This begs the question: if the police don’t have a duty to protect the public, what are we paying them for? And who exactly do they serve if not you and me?

Why do we have more than a million cops on the taxpayer-funded payroll in this country whose jobs do not entail protecting our safety, maintaining the peace in our communities, and upholding our liberties?

Why do we have more than a million cops who have been fitted out in the trappings of war, drilled in the deadly art of combat, and trained to look upon “every individual they interact with as an armed threat and every situation as a deadly force encounter in the making?

I’ll tell you why.

It’s the same reason why the Trump Administration has made a concerted effort to expand the police state’s power to search, strip, seize, raid, steal from, arrest and jail Americans for any infraction, no matter how insignificant.

This is no longer a government “of the people, by the people, for the people.”

It is fast becoming a government “of the rich, by the elite, for the corporations,” and its rise to power is predicated on shackling the American taxpayer to a life of indentured servitude.

Cops in America may get paid by the citizenry, but they don’t work for us.

They don’t answer to us. They’re not loyal to us.

And they certainly aren’t operating within the limits of the U.S. Constitution.

That “thin, blue line” of loyalty to one’s fellow cops has become a self-serving apparatus that sees nothing wrong with advancing the notion that the lives—and rights—of police should be valued more than citizens.

As one commentator remarked, “‘Protect and Serve’ are the words we see on the side of many police cars and is the motto of most police forces. The words define the mission of the police, which is to ‘protect’ citizens and ‘serve’ the public. However, it has become increasingly clear that in far too many police forces those words have been twisted beyond recognition. Too often they appear to mean, ‘to protect officers and serve the police force.’ ‘Force Protection’ has become the primary motivating force for many in the Police. That term is actually a military concept which means that you do everything you can to protect the troops when planning and executing a combat mission.”

The myth of the hero cop really is a myth.

Cops are no more noble, no more self-sacrificing, no braver and certainly no more deserving of special attention or treatment than any other American citizen.

Yet, as journalist David Feige explains, “For the last three decades, police unions have managed to portray their members as indispensable heroes in a deadly and dangerous war. [In] the years since the Sept. 11 attacks, the story of the hero cop has become so powerful and pervasive that even questioning police behavior is decried as disloyal, un-American, and dangerous.”

This misplaced patriotism about police and, by extension, the military—a dangerous re-shifting of the nation’s priorities that has been reinforced by President Trump with his unnerving knack for echoing past authoritarian tactics—paves the way for even more instability in the nation.

Read the rest ...

https://www.rutherford.org/publicat...lice_dont_have_to_protect_the_public_what_goo

 

What makes you think that article somehow applies to anyone within the US? In that instant case and any others that meet the circumstances of that case. Here the author has clearly stated a material fact of the case:

Right at the beginning of this statement that in a democracy their is a supreme being that looks like a human but wears black robes for clarity and using force for authority can declare a right not to be a right. Good thing this isn't a democracy so that leaves that jurisdiction out.

Then in a Communist or Fascist state the supreme beings become supreme owners, well not there yet so that jurisdiction doesn't apply.

But all the little minions will bow and pray and wonder by what authority did all this happen. Got a mirror?

 

But have you ever wondered why? Not why they do it but why you accept it. There is a very important maxim of law that is at play here, what is the common law?

 

Glad you got that part I edited to bold. Wouldn't want to think our servants were masters, it just they can use violence. What I would like to know though, where did they get this mystical power? Ever hear of the separation of powers?

The only valid order is against the loser in a court of law!

 

Again a case of mirrors, everybody keeps looking into them instead of behind them so only see half the problem. Another maxim of law in operation, the law of the agent. The agent is not responsible for the actions of the principle. The office of police officer is a fictional entity created by another fictional entity. As a fictional entity, the office of police officer can do no harm. The man in the uniform is the agent for that office, changes the whole view of things, doesn't it?

The law is a slippery slope.

 

Wow, remarkable!

It is always better to obey a psychopath because the pen is mightier than the sword but not if a bullet stops the engine that drives the pen. When an officer a command, I like to get it right up front and ask if that is an order, so very important when the pen takes over. Thank the officer and comply, after all he is now your best customer. If he is really a baboons patootie, a request for a supervisor is in order, oh boy another customer.

In the article, the author stated there were consequences, well that applies both ways.

There are two different kind of officers, peace and revenue. Unfortunately, most of the peace officers have been forced out. Officers are constantly reminded that revenue keeps them in a job.

But jails need customers, the more customers the more officers, the more officers the more crime. All a big vicious circle.

 

It is accepted by the public on the basis that refusing to do such will result in arrest, trial, conviction, or otherwise simply being shot and killed by law enforcement. It is literally comply or die.

 

I know the general statistics of fear and ignorance being the motivator of the general masses but that wasn't the question. The question is why you accept it. From your posts I believe I'm safe in ruling out ignorance. So is it fear, lack of motivation or just don't care?

Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops, sort of makes one question any actions that could be seen as aggressive before many of the psychopaths and sociopaths that love their perceived power. For these guys I'm hoping to be arrested but it doesn't happen, not even a ride to the magistrate. All for a simple "no, I'm not your slave" followed up by "is that an order?' works very well. So no, it is not literally comply or die, it is sentiment like that which has caused this whole mess.

 

I have a question to ask what IS the alternative no law officers at all, I will note the vast majority of them will protect and serve, they do take their role seriously and they do face dangerous situations and refusing a direct lawful order is going to put up red flags if one might pose a threat as in little old lady or man in a wheelchair like me not so much danger a fit large man could be. They will react accordingly and can expect to be complied with and they can and will use force backed by the government, the courts and their own departments and most law abiding citizens like me. Bad actors there are of course those that is why there are Internal Affairs Investigators and a complaint system and the checks and balances of a still free and open media and citizens who can and should report them to their agencies and if they don't act other agencies the State Police, FBI for human rights abuses and abuse at the higher levels and the elected officials. I feel safer with the police around with some abuses than no police around and have the mob armed to do their work without the checks and balances.

And yes police don't have to do their duty and risk their lives to protect us but they also can lose there jobs if they are told to deal with a criminal situation and refuse, serving and protecting is still an Expected Duty but they might wait for back up and better trained SWAT teams if needed.

 

related thread: another freedom taken away: "Resisting Arrest"

 

Police can legally take your property including cash without ever bringing any charges against you???Under forfeiture laws.

 

Asset forfeiture laws require charges of Narcotics distribution or similar charges in order to sieze property.

 

they're here!

 

Tell that to those whose property was seized under the flimsiest of excuses and spent months or years trying to get it back.

 

''One estimate was that only one percent of federally taken property is ever returned to their former owners.[34]

One estimate was that in 85% of civil forfeiture instances, the property owner was never charged with a crime.[9]''


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States#Contested_seizures



Totally unconstitutional. How can anyone defend this nonsense?

 

This is blatant theft under color of law. A violation of the 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th and 14th Amendments. Nazism in the "land of the free".