Poll about JFK Assassination: Who Killed JFK?

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Who Killed JFK?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2017.
  1. Lee Harvey Oswald; acting alone

    37.0%
  2. Lee Harvey Oswald was the trigger man; but as part of a larger conspriacy

    40.7%
  3. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of multiple triggermen.

    22.2%
  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    This is because you lack the ability to provide evidence to support your assertions.

    Hatred of the government simply for the sake of hating the government is not intelligent or cool or enlightened junior.

    And that is your entire argument. You hate the government and believe EVERYTHING they say is a lie even though you have never provided any evidence of even ONE lie.

    OF course you then contradict your self by showing they tell the truth sometimes an so only those things you wish were lies are lies.

    But of course in all the threads you pop up on and in all of your posts you never provide the slightest evidence to support your claims.
     
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    You're wasting your time, the guy (or gal) is clearly a fanatical US government stooge.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Well that's more proof of what I have said.

    The fact is neither you nor anyone else is qualified to decide who works where or for whom based on forum comments.

    This is a common cowardly lie from those who lose arguments in conspiracy areas. When cornered debunked and proven wrong AS YOU HAVE BEEN. They run to the idiotic and foolish claim of " government shill government stooge government agent "

    Naturally this is a stupid and cowardly evasion but it saves people like you from facing up to the FACT that evidence and reality has crushed your claim and PROVEN you wrong.

    And you DO KNOW you have been crushed and proven wrong.

    If the government were so filled with lies as you claim it would be simple and easy for you to quote a specific passage which you can then offer evidence is a lie.

    You run from doing so because you have never bothered to read the reports you refer to as lies and have no idea what they say. You also have no evidence to support any of your claims. Your entire argument is you hate the government whhahh whhaaah. Hate it all you like I do not care but when you make accusation the burden of proof is on you and you have never tried to establish any.

    BTW what I stated to him was correct and true. He is the one ho is lying and so are you.
     
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    A fanatical liar who doesn't even bother to hide the fact. He will lie about things he has zero knowledge of. On events only I myself could possibly know about. He lies as casually and effortlessly as he breathes.
     
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    I have in fact proven it is you who is always lying about this issue.

    I've debunked all of your assertions and claims with facts and evidence.

    Cite one specific part of the warren commission report which is a lie and show evidence that it is a lie
     
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    I did not lie about any such events which only you could know. I made an educated conclusion and you confirmed it making you the proven liar.
     
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    He is relentless, I'll give him that. I've read his rabid US government defenses and denials of anything contradictory to the official lies in other forums.
     
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    “Normal” procedures. As if the Presidential Assassination is a normal procedure. Aside from the koo koo for cocoa puff theories of double Oswalds, drivers shooting their passengers, and thousands of people being “in on it”….aside from the laughable “I know more than you” idiocy that is almost 100% in the ranks of the conspiracy whack job community…and aside from the rudeness, condescending exploits, and just plain stupidity of the average conspiracy whack job, this is the reason you guys don’t get anywhere with those who could actually look into the matters you swear were conspiracies.

    Often the federal officials are learning as they go. The local officials are learning as they go. And yes, the media gets things wrong. Should they know 100% of the millions of “if/then” scenarios? Yeah, probably. The governments are large enough to have someone who does. But in practical terms, for example, are you going to tell Ms. Kenedy to take her clothes off because they need to make sure it was JFK’s blood on them? In practical terms are you going to tell the Secret Service to stand down after an assassination of a man they protected for 3-4 years? They were probably out for blood. Can’t blame them. In practical terms, are you going to be relying on rules written in years ago to trump what is happening on the ground? Lets say, for example, there was a nuke set off in Dallas that killed JFK or he was poisoned. “But the law says, you have to leave the body there.” Yeah…right. Like that would be practical or even smart. I would ask you guys to summon some humanity and give the guys some slack since, you know, there hadn’t been an assassination since 1900 or whenever it was that McKinley was killed. But we all know with conspiracy whack jobs, the positions are absolutist and profoundly stupid…like if you guys were there you’d know what to do.
     
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    Bob, Eurethra or whatever your name is; what do you think about the Oswald Impersonator theories? Do you think the “conspirators” used body doubles for Lee Harvey Oswald? yes or no

    The odds of getting a single word straight answer are probably a billion to one. Because I typed that, I’m sure they would, perhaps, consider giving a “yes or no” but deep down, it would bother them to not say, “It’s more plausible than ____________”. So I’m guessing there will be no answer forthcoming.
     
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    I will remind you all that this is a poll. Please honor it and vote if you’re going to post replies.
     
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    I can't speak for anyone else but I personally have no clue about that. IMO what's relevant is that the US government lied about the JFK assassination (via the WC Report) just like they lied about 9/11 (via the 9/11 Commission and NIST reports). In both cases to cover up the real criminals.

    You're right (in my case), I didn't give you a "single word" straight answer, and does more than 1 word confuse you?
     
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    I can't vote in a poll rigged with YOUR limited selections. Try adding "none of the above" or "other" to the choices then maybe the poll would be fair and balanced. Regardless, this is a discussion forum, which means even polls are up for discussion to any member who wants to participate, whether they vote or not.
     
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    Told ya. Whenever you ask a conspiracy whack job to say anything definitive about one of their conspiracy theories, they run like little *******.
     
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    Proves my point yet again.
     
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    Very dishonest.

    I am specifically addressing conspiracy theory not a general defense of the government.

    If you call something a lie you have to provide evidence it is a lie which you have never done. You have been asked hundreds opf time and always balked and ran from doing so
     
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    The reason for a conspiracy whack job being totally noncommittal is because all of the doors need to stay open in case, one day they are engaged and have to walk through that door.

    Put another way, when you’re stumped (16 years or in JFK’s case 54 years after the fact) and you’ve supposedly “forgotten more about the case than some will ever know”, you need to have a fairly thorough answer to “what do you think happened”. When you don’t; you’re dismissed easily.
     
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    Did you supply the figures showing the number of people allowed to defect from the US to Russia (then back again) during the early 1960’s or not?
     
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    Yet you cannot offer any evidence of any kind whatsoever that they lied as you claim and much evidence has been presented showing you are wrong.

    You never even bothered to read the reports which you refer to as lies
    No because that is a malformed question.

    No one is allowed to defect. People do not defect from the US they simply leave. Defection happens when one is NOT permitted to leave. It is one way only. He was free to leave the US whenever he wished and the USSR allowed him to leave for good reason.

    People did in fact leave the USSR with permission more than some realize and I did prove that fact. In addition anyone was and is free to leave the USA as they wish. So claiming that it is something suspicious has no basis in fact
     
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    Relentless is a nice word. I would say "obsessed", "fixated" and "psychotic" are closer to the truth.
     
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    That would describe you .

    You never provide evidence and what lame attempts you HAVE made were destroyed and proven false. Yet you keep doubling down.
     
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    I can't disagree with that, especially the last description.
     
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    As it applies to you and other conspiracy theorists yes it is.
     
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    The poll is set up in such a way to either reject the Warren Commission conclusion entirely or to agree with it, in either a complete or
    qualified way. It's a binary "heads I win, tails you lose" false choice designed to serve the purposes of the cover up.

    As such the poll is worthless and only furthers the disgraceful Warren Commission narrative because there is absolutely NO evidence
    that Lee Harvey Oswald shot anyone, whether from a sixth floor window or elsewhere.
    The evidence shows something else altogether and his entire value to the plot to stage a coup was purely as a strawman, someone the Warren Commission could blame the whole thing on and have a troubling coup disposed of it in one, not so neat, package.

    People that accept the conclusions of the Warren Commission, whether entirely or in part, are just being lazy and intellectually dishonest.
    The counter evidence is out there in spades!
     
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    The Warren Commission Report and the 9/11 Commission Report are both conspiracy theories. What makes those different than other conspiracy theories is that they're official and as a result, pretending to be truth because many believe authority = truth. When you call these "accurate", attack everyone and everything that contradicts it and never criticize one single word from these rags, and do it in a fanatical manner and in multiple forums, you're obviously defending the US government.
     
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    No they are not conspiracy theories as they are based on evidence

    Conspiracy theories by definition are not.

    You have no idea what either one says or what evidence is contained within them because you childishly refuse to read them but then you fall for anyone claiming they lied.

    When asked for evidence however you consistently and always run from providing any which is precisely what conspiracy theorists do. I will grant anyone that the word official does not make it true, however it does not make it false or a lie as well. What makes anything false or true is EVIDENCE.'

    The WC and the 911 report support their conclusions with EVIDENCE you do not and never have.

    It is a cowardly lie to say " you defend the government " when in fact the GUBMENT is not a refutation of evidence. You are not enlightened or especially informed because you HATE government it is not a sign of an original thinker or to say GOVERNMENT ALWAYS lies.

    You are not challenging anything or being more insightful or intelligent to use such arguments. You are not even willing to be intelligent enough to learn what the government wrote in their reports.

    So show your stuff and present EVIDENCE.

    Cite one part of either the 911 report of the Warren report which you say is a lie and provide evidence that it is a lie.
     

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