Poll about JFK Assassination: Who Killed JFK?

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Who Killed JFK?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2017.
  1. Lee Harvey Oswald; acting alone

    37.0%
  2. Lee Harvey Oswald was the trigger man; but as part of a larger conspriacy

    40.7%
  3. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of multiple triggermen.

    22.2%
  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    That's a very good assessment.

    For me there are two pieces of evidence that JFK was assassinated in a coup d'etat, the Zapruder clip that clearly shows JFK's head blown backward and the stand down (paralleling the 9/11 stand down):



    Whether LHO was part of the conspiracy or not is up for debate but I lean strongly toward the likelihood that he was just a patsy.



    I believe most people don't buy either the Warren Commission or 9/11 Commission reports. The rest are either as you say or they just follow along like a bunch of indoctrinated, mindless sheep.

    "They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." - Gerald Massey
     
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    Well this is a post filled with falsehoods. Regardless of the poll the fact is you have been proven wrong.

    HE was there and that is supported by witnesses which you have been shown and in fact cannot refute.
    His rifle was found there with his prints on it despite your massive failure to say it was a mauser or his prints were planted. Expended shell casings were found at the scene from his rifle with his prints again. And no evidence they were planted. Every bullet or bullet fragment found in Dealey that day was ballisticaly and chemically proven to have come from his rifle. All physical evidence shows the shots came from above and behind consistent with his position. The vast majority of witnesses heard 3 shots no more and no less and the vast majority of witnesses agreed they came from the TSBD. A few heard shots from other directions and locations but no evidence supports their memory while all evidence found refutes their memory. They found the paper bag he was seen smuggling the rifle in and positively linked it to the rifle by finding fibers which matched the blanket he wrapped the rifle in while storing the rifle in Ruth Paine's garage.

    HE is the only employee of the TSBD to flee and not return. He is the only person in Dallas who shot a police officer to avoid capture. Your attempts to spin that and say he did not shoot Tibbet were proven baseless and false.

    That is a mountain of overwhelming evidence which you have failed to refute or challenge so you are proven wrong about there being no evidence. Had Oswald survived to stand trial he would have been convicted with no effort and no defense attorney on Earth could have saved him as any intelligent person knows.

    The Warren commission did not exist when Kennedy was shot so they could not blame him and dispose of him as you claim.

    It is a bald faced and cowardly lie you added at the end.

    What is cowardly and intellectually dishonest is to claim the Warren Commission lied when you know and have admitted you never read the report and you have been proven to have no idea what they wrote.

    Intelligent people do not fall for you tube videos and conspiracy theories like gullible fools they check the other side of the story which you have never done.

    Fact checking has easily shown all of your claims to be false which know well but are embarrassed about.

    So cite one specific part of thew Warren commission report which is false and provide evidence
     
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    Well that's 100% false and silly. Virtually all conspiracy theories begin with evidence, just ask any criminal investigator, they all make a living from conspiracy theories.
     
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    Indoctrinated sheep are those who only look at one side of an argument or debate or issue and refuse to even consider the other side. This description applies to you and yourbestfriend who have never looked at both sides but instead religiously and exclusively accept only someones view which is in lock step with your own. You never bother to read the other side and see what they say and try to reach a judgement based on both sides of the argument. It is very much like a religious exercise with you as only that which supports your faith is accepted and never allow a challenge.

    There was never a stand down and that is proven. The film of the agent has been looked at for years and he was only confused as to what HIS SPECIFIC duties were on that day. He was informed that his duties were to remain at Love field to guard air force one. He was not specifically one Of JFK's personal protective detail agents he was an EXTRA agent for back up. A stand down would, by definition require that ALL secret service agents stop protecting the president and they did not they in fact were where they were supposed to be for example the two agents in the limo WITH kennedy.

    JFK's head movement is not evidence of a shot from the front except for those who's entire knowledge of firearms comes from movies and TV. Victims do NOT always react by moving away from the direction of the gun when a bullet hits them.

    The EVIDENCE does not support a conspiracy it does prove Oswald shot Kennedy however
     
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    No they do not they are in fact notorious for ignoring evidence and engaging in fantasy. Criminal investigators follow evidence to a conclusion which is precisely what the warren commission did.

    Conspiracy theorists do the opposite as you do and start with a pre - ordained conclusion and only allow any consideration of any idea or speculation which fits that conclusion and ignoring and fact or evidence to the contrary
     
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    Again, quote the major inaccuracies if you can. Since you can't...well that tells us your allegations are BS.

    Again the poll covers all serious questions about the Assassination. Either the WC is right or it isn't. If it isn't, Oswald either was the only shooter or one of many. Body doubles and other issues are just grist for the mill
     
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    There are dozens of small inconsistencies in the way security was applied to Dallas that particular day and in the way agents were instructed to disregard and suspend normal procedures. That has been documented thoroughly!
    It was all designed to set up a "kill zone" on the route to the Dallas Trade Mart.

    As for the kill shot itself, clearly the president's head is rocked back by a shot to the temple that exited in the back of his skull.
    Look at the comments of ER room doctors who first saw Kennedy and what they say about that exit wound. http://jfkmurdersolved.com/autopsy.htm
    Contrast that with the fake autopsy performed at Bethesda (after the president's body had been illegally removed) that was managed
    by a contingent of generals and military men and performed by two men who had never performed a forensic pathology before in their lives
    and whose job at the hospital was strictly as administrators.

    Lee Harvey Oswald came straight out of military intelligence, having worked at a Japaneses radar base tracking U-2 flights
    (Atsugi, Japan) which is all top level clearance spy work which is not quite what we would expect from the ne'er do well loser
    picture painted by the Warren Commission.

    Oswald had the fingerprints of US Intelligence all over him, as it's been said, and there is zero doubt he used and then discarded by
    the CIA and other powerful government figures when the time came to kill the president and pin the blame on the so called communist loner who wanted to be
    famous (but who for some reason vehemently denied shooting the president).

    The overwhelming majority of Americans have never believed the Warren Commission, almost from the very beginning.
    Most people just don't believe one discredited man could what do he's said to have done (which by the way, no marksman has ever duplicated to this day under the exact same circumstances).

    And the deeper one delves into the matter, as with me, one finds that there is really no proof whatsoever that Lee Harvey Oswald shot anyone, not the president and not JD Tippet. And the body count from the killing of the president mounts up as dozens of witnesses
    all died under mysterious and often violent circumstances in order to keep the cover up alive.

    The people who don't believe our government would do such things are simply infantile thinkers who don't want to believe such a thing
    of their own country. But the facts say otherwise, despite what the deniers with their reptilian brains would like to think.
     
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    As with 9/11, they made sure there was never any trial for the alleged perpetrators, so all we get is the usual government fairy tale designed to promote a myth and protect the real criminals. And the US government does what anyone else would be convicted for decades, assassinate all potential witnesses (or marginalize them as insane), destroy and/or plant "evidence".
     
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    The idiocy and simplistic nonsense that is not fact based continues to amaze me about the psychotic denials of some.

    There is zero proof Oswald shot the president. Zero proof he shot JD Tippet. The same people and inquest that say he tried to kill the president say he shot Dallas policeman JD Tippet. There is hard proof for neither claim, not surprisingly.

    The American Bar Association ran a mock trial of Oswald and not surprisingly
    he was completely exonerated based on the evidence of the Warren Commission.
     
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    First of all inconsistencies do not = -plot to assassinate someone or lead them into a kill zone. Inconsistencies are normal and have perfectly mundane reasons which are not conspiratorial.

    You have no evidence of any such inconsistencies in the first place nor evidence that any perceived inconsistencies equals a plot to kill the president.

    State any such inconsistency.

    There is and never was a wound of any kind to the temple are of Kennedy's head as all photographs of his body clearly proves. His body moving backwards does not prove a shot from the front as bodies reactions are not always the same. Unfortunately the expert evidence from the autopsy proves the bullet entered from above and behind. This is a fact by expert experienced pathologists and yo have failed to challenge it.

    Your claim that the autopsy is was managed by generals and others is absolute fiction. Nor were the pathologists administrators they were in fact experienced and expert military pathologists with background in performing autopsies on victims of battlefield injuries to include gunshot victims.

    Your claim that they were not expert is a facade invented by Oliver Stone from his Movie JFK as is your claim that it was managed by generals. It is proven fiction. The doctors at Parkland were not expert pathologists they were ER doctors and had no experience or training in autopsies or determining the factual details of gun shot wounds. The autopsy stands as evidence and the casual observation by other doctors is irrelevant against that evidence.

    Lee Harvey Oswald was never involved with military intelligence and no record or evidence of any kind shows that he was connected to military intelligence. Your claim to the contrary is an unsupported assertion which you have never been able to show evidence to support.

    He never worked at a Japanese radar base of any kind period.

    He worked at an AMERICAN AIR BASE ( atsugi )which had tens of thousands of Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine personnel as well as some CIA personnel. There is no evidence of any kind that he had any contact with the CIA or their U2 plane other than proximity on an air base which was enormous and had thousands stationed and working at it. He never operated radar he REPAIRED radar which was a mundane technical job and had nothing to do with tracking the U2.

    Proximity is not evidence of involvement. Fingerprints of intelligence is another manufactured bit of hollywood jargon which means nothing there is no evidence or indication he was connected to intelligence.

    Once again you have failed to show any such evidence.

    You lie to claim no marksman has repeated what he has done many have repeated what he did and it was not difficult. You are also wrong about THE MAJORITY of americans which is also irrelevant as consensus does not equal truth.

    The facts prove you wrong and the facts show that the conclusions of the Warren Commission were correct and supported by evidence. There are no such dozens of witnesses who died under mysterious circumstances. It is also normal for accused murderers to vehemently deny the accusation and yet many of them are proven guilty as he was by the evidence

    Quote one specific passage of the Warren Commission which is a lie and show evidence that it was a lie
     
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    THEY made sure of no such thing you simply cannot try a dead person.

    IF it is a fairy tale you should have no problem Quoting one passage which is a lie and proving that it is a lie.

    Go ahead and do so.
     
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    You are lying and ignoring fact.

    There is overwhelming evidence that Oswald Killed Kennedy and none that there was a conspiracy.

    Yes there is crushing hard proof he killed Kennedy and Tibbets. This evidence has been thrust in your face and you are childishly denying it.

    On the other hand you have no evidence for your claims

    Cite one specific passage from the Warren Commission which is a lie and show evidence that it is a lie
     
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    BTW you are outright lying. The mock trial ended in a hung jury which is not the same as exoneration.
     
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    Good catch Sherlock.
     
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    And there is no evidence that THEY as in the government or some conspiracy killed them.

    We know who killed Oswald and he acted alone for his own bizarre reasons.

    the 911 attackers died in their attempt and meant to do so,

    Now stop evading and cite one quote from the Warren Commission which is a lie and provide evidence of it being a lie.
     
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    Bullshit...lies...distortions....hallucinations...total misstatement of facts....no one buys the dung you are pushing. Did I leave anything out?
    And to argue with a lunatic is to lower oneself to the level of a lunatic and there is absolutely nothing to be gained by trying to establish fact with someone who doesn't have any clue what he's talking about and does not have any respect for the truth and common decency.

    So I'll stand by every opinion poll ever taken on the issue and the exoneration that came from the ABA mock trial on the issue.
    "In 1992 the American Bar Association conducted two mock Oswald trials. The first trial ended in a hung jury......

    In the second trial the jury acquitted Oswald."


    I will also definitely stand with this well written paper that details the many problems with the Warren Commission case against
    Lee Harvey Oswald.
    http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/faulty.htm

    A smart person will read the paper and realize he has placed his belief in a pack of lies. IF he has a shred of honesty in him.

    But I know the Warren Commission
    quislings don't deal in honest facts and couldn't be suckered into backing such a load of horse manure if they did deal in facts and evidence rather than sheer invention and manipulation of weak minds.
    I have to say it feels wonderful knowing you've taken a stand against the unpatriotic liars...past and present.
     
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    Are you conceding the point that this is a human being writing all these
    absurd posts? I'm not!

    More likely this is some sort of specialized automatic writing program that keys in on certain words and phrases and posts
    endless drivel over and over again.
     
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    Yes you left out evidence supporting your claim.

    You also left out a specific quote from the WC which is a lie and evidence that it was a lie.

    I stated facts little guy and you cannot challenge any of them and the facts I stated prove you wrong so let's list them.

    You made a claim about Parraffin tests but were proven wrong.
    You made a claim about the rifle being a mauser but were proven wrong.
    You claim that those who admitted to a mistake were bullied coerced or intimidated but were proven wrong
    You made a claim that Oswald was connected to intelligence but were proven wrong.
    You made a claim that no one can place him on the sixth floor but were proven wrong.
    You made a claim that no one could duplicate his shooting but were proven wrong.
    You made a claim that Kennedy had a wound to the temple but were proven wrong.
    You claimed he was exonerated in a mock trial but you were proven wrong.
    You claimed the large head wound is absolute evidence of a frontal shot and were proven wrong.
    You lied outright about the Pathologists who performed the autopsy and were proven wrong.
    You repeated a lie that the autopsy was micromanaged by others aside from the doctors performing it and have been proven wrong

    Smart person will read the paper and judge it and not place blind faith in it so let's do that.

    From the paper: "To begin with, Oswald was at work when he is said to have purchased the money order ( Summers 213 ) So whop bought the money order?" This is a deceitful claim and typical of conspiracy theorists as no one made such a claim. Apparently this author thinks one cannot buy a money order before or after work or during a break. No one claimed he was at work when hew bought the money order.So the evidence that Oswald purchased it still stands unchallenged.

    The author then said no one at the post office remembered giving him a large package such as a package that a rifle might be shipped in.Which is irrelevant because with all the traffic at a post office it is illogical to expect someone to remember such specifics.

    Unfortunately shipping records from the mail order company proved that it was sent to Oswald and the author failed to challenge that fact and is debunked.

    We could go on for a long time but the author of this piece is mixing irrelevant truths with outright falsehoods to create a narrative which is false.

    You still have yet to cite any part of the Warren Commission report which is false and to show evidence it is a lie.

    There are no Warren Commission quislings there are in fact people who read it and comprehend what it says which leaves you out.

    You have admitted you never read it and have no evidence to challenge it as I have proven
     
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    Acquitted by American Bar Association mock trial.

    This is undoubtedly why Jack Ruby (paid government informer since 1947) was allowed to
    walking right up to Lee Harvey Oswald with a gun, in a Dallas police station, and kill him because the fixers and Big Bosses knew that in an open and half way fair trial Oswald would never in a hundred years been convicted by the contrived phony charges cooked up.

    Popular columnist and tv star Dorthy Kilgallen died in a very suspicious death after she let it be known that she had been interviewing Ruby in jail and was ready to "blow the lid off the case".
    She was silenced too.

    Open up the still closed files on the case and lets see what has been hidden away for decades.
    If Oswald is truly guilty and there is nothing to hide why is so much still locked away?
     
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    Sorry wrong hung jury.

    Now cite a specific passage from the Warren Commission report which is a lie and show some evidence that it is a lie
     
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    The claim that Jack Ruby was a paid government informer is simply false there is no record of this or evidence.

    Dorothy Kilgallen did not die a mysterious death. Her death was determined to be the result of a toxic ingestion of too much alcohol and barbiturates in the form of her prescription sleeping pills.

    She had NEVER interviewed Ruby In jail or even visited him in jail. The only time she spoke to him was during a recess in his trial when SEVERAL reporters approached Ruby and began asking questions. She never had a one on one interview with him.

    Her claim to be ready to " blow the lid off " the Kennedy assassination was reported hearsay and only by her hair dresser six months after her death. Making it a completely worthless claim

    The government has many reasons for keeping some things locked away. Not just the one you believe.

    Once again cite a specific passage of the Warren Commission report which you believe is false and show evidence that it is false
     
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    I don't blame you, the guy is not for real, maybe literally too.

    Yeah, I named him Dr. NO for a reason. I have trouble imagining a genuine person doing what he's doing. I can understand a person who believes the official manure but no genuine person defends it to such maniacal degree and attacks everyone and everything that contradicts it. He's not likely a robot but he does have some kind of agenda for sure.
     
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    Actually there IS a record http://jfkmurdersolved.com/nixonruby.htm
    and you are wrong once more.

    She had ingested a cocktail of barbituates, only one of which she had a prescription for and was in her home. Well that's odd. A chemical analysis of the glass she had been drinking from had Nembutol on it, though none was in her blood..
    http://www.constantinereport.com/who-killed-dorothy-kilgallen-2/
    She was found sleeping in a room she never slept in, wearing all her make up still and in clothes she never slept in, reading a book she had already recently read with her reading glasses, a necessity for reading, nowhere to be found.

    And the coroner who signed off on her death (Dr. Dominick DiMaio) says he never was connected with her inquest. Odd.

    That part is true but she had access to his interviews with the police while in jail.

    She told MANY personal friends she was going to break the Kennedy case wide open but all her files on the case were missing after her death and never resurfaced. Odd.
    They just vanished! How convenient.

    I'm sure the government would have reason to keep many things locked away.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/no_author/the-lonesome-death-of-dorothy-kilgallen/
     
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    See what I mean? NO, NO, NO and NO, denies every friggin contradictory thing but claims highly dubious and often unsupported government claims are accurate. That is not for real.
     
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    So the answer is no. As far as we know, Oswald was the only one to leave the US (i.e. defect from the US) to Russia and Back. You have no numbers to prove he wasn’t the only one.
     

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