Poll about JFK Assassination: Who Killed JFK?

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Who Killed JFK?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2017.
  1. Lee Harvey Oswald; acting alone

    37.0%
  2. Lee Harvey Oswald was the trigger man; but as part of a larger conspriacy

    40.7%
  3. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of multiple triggermen.

    22.2%
  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    You do not do research and are stating a lie to claim you have.

    You have only looked a few videos and websites which support your beliefs and ignore any information to the contrary which is what real research would include.

    You have never answered questions you have never read the WC report and have been proven wrong many times over
     
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    You see that's all he can do, repeat his tired phony nonsensical mantra like a parrot. It's not a discussion about the topic, it's a deliberate diversion, attack the poster.
     
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    usda_select Active Member Past Donor

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    No argument here.
     
  4. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Pot meet kettle?

    How many times did I ask and how many times did you answer?

    Quote a specific passage of the WC report which you claim is false and provide evidence that it is a lie
     
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    usda_select Active Member Past Donor

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    All I've asked you guys to do is quote the report and show where it is inaccurate in any major way (both the 9/11 and WC). To date; no takers.
    All I've asked you guys to do is list your questions about the report that you say that you have (both the 9/11 and WC). To date; no takers.

    One can only surmise that the reports are accurate and you have no specific questions since none are forthcoming.

    Your answering both would further the discussion; not divert it. So one can also assume it is your goal to divert from the topic; not explore it.
     
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    Oswald was the "patsy"...set up to takethe fall....
    The assassination of President Kennedy was a CIA operation.
     
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    The most popular opinion.
    With the least evidence
     
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    usda_select Active Member Past Donor

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    Do you think he was a triggerman or one of the triggermen?
     
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    Triggerman???? He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with that rifle.........there were real sharp shootshooters with real weapons positioned around....lots of unanswered questions..just like 9/11 a big coverup by government.
     
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    When police and sheriff's deputies first got to the Texas school book depository sixth floor "shooter's nest": the only weapon found was a Mauser 7.65, and not Oswald's supposed weapon, a bolt action piece of mail order junk, Manlicher-Carcano, which was called the "humane weapon" by Italian soldiers in WWII because the rifle was so inaccurate.
    It had a sight that could not be used because it could not be properly mounted and FBI agents had to manufacture three metal shims
    just to use the scope in tests made with the gun.

    In addition to that Oswald himself was an awful marksman just barely qualifying as acceptable marksman at all in the Marine Corps.
    Every Marine that served with Oswald and knew of his shooting skills said he was a terrible shot. http://themanfrom2063.com/lee-harvey-oswalds-marksmanship/

    Warren Commission Tests
    "The Warren Commission’s tests were equally bad. The WC paid 3 expert riflemen to duplicate Oswald’s alleged feat. These shooters fired 18 rounds using Oswald’s gun and scope.

    They fired 3 rounds with just the iron sites. These shooters missed the head and neck area of the target 18 out of 18 times using the telescopic sight and 2 out of 3 times when they used the iron sites.

    Some of the shots missed the target completely. They were able to take as long as they wanted for the first shot. They were firing from a height of only 30 feet. Oswald fired from a height of 60 feet. They were also shooting at stationary targets instead of a moving limousine"

    Could a terrible shot, who had no interests in guns, do what experts failed to do? The answer is obvious.

    In addition no one could place Lee Harvey Oswald up on the sixth floor as the Kennedy motorcade approached. Testimony from
    Victoria Elizabeth Adams, who was on the fourth floor of the school book building watching the president drive by with a friend,
    said she and the friend ran down the only access to the upper floors (a stairwell) to get to the back of the building to see the commotion
    and Oswald would HAVE to pass by her to get to the second floor lunch room where a Dallas motorcycle cop spotted him drinking a
    soft drink there no more than 90 seconds after shots were fired. http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/girl-on-the-stairs-refutes-p-c-jfk-narrative/

    Additionally Dallas police performed paraffin gunpowder tests on Oswald's face the day of the shooting which came up negative: NO gunpowder residue. How do you fire a rifle without the telltale residue on your cheeks?

    All in all, where is the evidence that Lee Oswald shot anyone that day? There is certainly no evidence he shot the president from that window in the schoolbook depository.
     
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    Yes he could he was a trained Marine Sharpshooter and the rile was as accurate as an M14 at distances less than 200 yards.

    he never aimed at anything beyond 100 yards with it
     
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    You have been proven wrong.

    the weapon found was Oswald's Carcano and the officers who found it admitted to simply mis-identifying the weapon which is not unusual as both weapons looked very similar.

    It was not called the humane or humanitarian weapon by any Italian soldier the claim that it was called that was manufactured from thin air by Oliver Stone in his fictional film JFK.

    The sight was in fact not mounted properly and yes a shim had to be made to stabilize the scope. However the scope was not necessary as Oswald was trained to use open iron sights which the rifle had. This is a likely explanation for why he missed the first shot ( with the scope ) and hit with his second and third shot ( with the iron sights )> Either way the defective scope mounting does not constitute evidence that he could not have hit Kennedy i was easy and well within his range of ability and well within the weapons capability.

    His military record proves you are wrong about his ability he qualified as a SHARPSHOOTER which is higher than marksman and in fact even a marksman in the USMC is a good shot compared to civilians most of whom do not shoot rifles. The shooting was easy and could have been done by the average soldier marine or deer hunter. The target was very close and moving very slowly almost directly away from Oswald making it unnecessary to adjust or lead for movement.

    You link merely repeats lies without providing evidence.

    The Warren Commission experts actually matched Oswalds shooting feat and in many cases exceeded it as did NOT so expert shooters who were recruited from the Army and showed they could easily do what Oswald did.

    The claim you and the link make that they failed it an outright lie.

    Paraffin tests were unreliable and do not constitute evidence of NOT shooting a gun.

    Yes the evidence that he shot Kennedy from the sixth floor of the TSBD is overwhelming and crushing proving you wrong
     
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    You are wrong.....a shitty gun, through tree branches, shooting down at a moving target, three shots in six seconds with a bolt action...nope...can't be done....you are out to lunch on this again....
    Conspiracy all around...shooters from grassy knoll with real guns from the front did the murder of JFK...Johnson was part of the plot, as was the CIA who actually planned and carried it out.
     
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    No I am correct.

    The tree was not in the line of fire so that is a simple falsehood.

    Down at a moving target which is traveling AWAY from you VERY slowly is not hard at all and six seconds is very ample time to fire those three shots and all of those are proven facts.

    You simply know nothing of rifles and firearms other than what you saw on TV and There is no evidence to prove any of your grassy knoll LBJ BS
     
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    It was also in November; no leaves.
     
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    This particular nonsense comes from the fact that the assassination was over 50 years ago.

    In that time the tree which is still there has GROWN if you were to aim a rifle out the window as Oswald did the tree would indeed block your line of sight.

    50 years ago however it was much smaller and simply did not block his view.

    Many people forget that trees GROW and look out the same window and conclude that it would have been an obstruction.
     
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    That's not what the Zapruder film shows.
     
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    usda_select Active Member Past Donor

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    really?
     
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    Really. Lots of nice foliage and leafy trees on display in the background.
     
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    Lot's of foliage everywhere in the video.

    Either way it is irrelevant as it is proven that the tree was not large enough to obstruct Oswald's view.
     
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    Sgt. Delgado who served with Oswald in the Marines said Oswald was a terrible shot barely qualifying at the lowest ranking of Marksman on his final attempt. Delgado stated he often missed the entire target receiving a red flag which they called maggie's drawers' Now couple that information with the POS RIFLE AND THE UNBELIEVABLE PRESSURE OF SHOOTING AT THE POTUS and that's all I need to conclude
    Oswald was a PATSY and never fired one shot at Kennedy !!!!
     
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    The Marine corps has the best rifle marksmanship training in the military. Even the worst marine shooter is a fine shot compared to most civilians who know little of shooting a rifle.

    Oswald scored as sharpshooter in Basic training which is higher than Marksman. He qualified as Marksman when he was close to being discharged and probably did not care about his own performance.

    HE did Not BARELY qualify as Marksman either he easily qualified as Marksman and only barely missed making sharpshooter again.

    Unfortunately the physical evidence proves he was no patsy and DID shoot the president even if he was under pressure.

    The rifle was a mail order POS but still an accurate weapon at distances of less than 200 yards.
     
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    It wouldn’t surprise me if Oswald missed and another concealed shooter(s) scored the hits.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if Oswald never took a shot
     
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    I'm never sure if this guy is lying or simply and constantly wrong

    In the late 1950s, US Marines were categorised at three levels of shooting ability, according to the scores they achieved at a standardised test of their accuracy:

    1. Expert: a score of 220 to 250.
    2. Sharpshooter: 210 to 219.
    3. Marksman: 190 to 209.
    According to his Marine score card (Commission Exhibit 239), Oswald was tested twice:

    1. In December 1956, after “a very intensive 3 weeks’ training period” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.11, p.302), Oswald scored 212: two marks above the minimum for a ‘sharpshooter’.
    2. In May 1959, he scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman’.
     

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