POLL: Can one be loyal to two countries?

wishful thinking

 

It should be illegal but if it were which one do you think Obama would have decided with ? Obama's Columbia University buds said Obama didn't know where his loyalties were, but he decides he was an internationalist before being an American and his actions over the past eight years seem to point to that he's an internationalist considering always bad mouthing America and defending the Islamic world and has ignored the Constitution.

 

Oh, really? If what you say is true then you can name me some time within the last 100 years where an Australian/American dual citizen would have had to choose between the two countries and then would have had to also commit treason against one.

1,2,3,Go!

 

Japan. Resist internment commit treason.

 

And once registered to the Northern American electoral district you will be entitled to vote for the Italian Parliament [without living in Italy, if you stay in US for Italy you would become an "Italian abroad"].

 

Did you know that Arnold Schwarzenegger has been Governor of California having US citizenship and Austrian citizenship? He has never renounced to its original citizenship.

In fact he had problem with Austrian politicians ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4198633.stm

And this carries us to the matter of loyalty: it's like a professional working for more than one society. Until there are no conflicts between the societies the professional carries on as common, when a conflict comes, the active role wins.

Let's imagine I get the US citizenship and I come to US, becoming governor of Ohio, without renouncing to the Italian citizenship ...

A part that I would move the capital of Ohio to Cleveland ... in case of war between Italy and US, being a governor I would be loyal to US. If I was a common US citizen, I would have to make a choice: if I remained in US I will be loyal to US ...

 

I think one needs to be loyal to one's own morals and values as set forth in Judeo Christian morals and values. Nobody is perfect but at least you have a standard to live by that is not dependent on any mortal's interpretation. When the majority of people agree what is moral and what is not moral, society functions better. When morality is defined by secular humanists, the majority will never agree on morals and values which is deleterious to society.

 

Thank you for this excellent post and for injecting common sense into the debate.

 

This needs to be taken on a case by case basis.

Now as an American Citizen no other Citizenship from any other nation can be held...but if you were say....Portuguese American and you obtained your American Citizenship.....you can only be an American Citizen as far as the U.S. is concerned but as far as Portugal is concerned you are BOTH a Portuguese Citizen and American Citizen.

I am 5th Generation American thus my Fathers, Fathers, Fathers Father came here.

I have been all over the world and speak many laguages but being an American Citizen is something special and generates a HUGE AMOUNT OF PRIDE in those who become Naturalized Citizens and take the test and I have been to such Graduations and seen the LOOK OF PRIDE that a few Iranaian Friends who got out in a most difficult way....obtained on the day they became citizens.

They waved their given to them small American Flags and felt that they would never have to worry about the Qud's Force going after them...which I made certain of.

AboveAlpha

 

I don't think that Syrian, Iranian and Palestinian Americans who support Assad, the Iranian Mullahs and Hamas can be loyal to the USA. Such folks should give up their American citizenship and leave the USA.

But many, especially Israeli Americans, can love and support both their countries. For example, I have supported all American wars in the Middle East and will also support any forthcoming American war against Iranian and Syrian terrorism.

 

There are Multiple Millions of Arabs both Sunni and Shia, Jews, Persians all living peacefully in the United States.

They are all just peole who wanted to get away from the craziness of the Middle East.

AboveAlpha

 

Those Muslim Americans who do not support Terrorism should be welcome to stay in the USA.

 

I was asking him specifically about an American/Australian dual-citizen at any point in the last 100 years since he made the claim that "one will someday have to choose between the two, and will then be committing treason against the other." There was no point in the last 100 years where our American/Aussie would have had to chosen and committed treason.

Of course there are cases where conflicts of interest could arise, such as a Japanese/American dual-citizen during WWII but it is not a foregone conclusion for all, or even a majority of, dual-citizens as Ronstar stubbornly believes.

Also, and this is kind of nitpicking, but Japanese internment had to do with ethnicity, not citizenship. Even Americans who weren't Japanese citizens were thrown into concentration camps...which just goes to show that the nationalistic tripe being spewed in this thread may not be all that it is cracked up to be.

 

Interesting but still it's proven that dual nationality will break when under strain and is therefore invalid.

 

you don't get to decide who can stay in the USA

 

Those who support Terrorism must be expelled or at least jailed in Guantanemo.

 

what if they support Israeli terrorism?

 

Israel and the USA are allies in the War on Terror. Patriotic Israeli Americans will support both heroic countries against Terrorists such as Assad and Iran.

 

BS of the highest order. The only answer is no.

 

if I was the FBI and CIA, I'd be very suspiciuous of folks with dual citizenship.

one cannot serve two masters.

just look at Jonathan Pollard.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_Americans

Natalie Portman is hot.

 

No person can serve two masters faithfully. A dual citizen will inevitably prioritize the interests of one of his nations over the other.

 

It is unfortunately true that Muslims from places like Gaza, Iran and Syria cannot both serve their country (or strip of land, in the case of Gaza!) and the USA. But Jews are patriotic Americans and Israelis. We see examples everywhere, including me.

Jews will definitely support any American war on Assad and Iran.

 

yes, just as many dual Israel-USA citizens care more about Israel than the USA.

I have several relatives who are like this, who are not dual citizens but act like they care more about Israel than the USA.

they should be reported to the FBI as possible sleeper-cell terrorists.

 

I would love the live and work in the UK or elsewhere in Europe but unfortunately I can't unless I marry a national or get hired by a international company and transfer over. But places like the UK and America open their arms to people from the mideast and asia.


I'm American and it's currently on a path of destruction.