Poll: French leave EU

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Ole Ole, Mar 24, 2017.

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France leave and Germany become big power EU ?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2017.
  1. Yes

    6 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. No

    8 vote(s)
    57.1%
  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Piffle 'n drivel, drivel 'n piffle.

    The EU has a National Council that is its effective "Head of state".

    Disneyland is in France, not "Europe".

    The Euro will not cease to be - but trading money with EU countries WILL MOVE OUT OF LONDON to Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt. (That is the "price" the UK must pay, and the EU will see that it happens.)

    The ECB has Greece by the proverbial "balls". Greece joined the EU by faking its financial data. Google "Greece and Goldman Sachs", then select this:
    Greek debt crisis: Goldman Sachs could be sued for helping hide debts when it joined euro.

    Now, read it ... !
     
  2. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Did you know that history once told an enslaved people that they couldn't be free to support an economy based on slavery? Damn well tried to leave the US over it it was that essential to their economy and way of life. It was fear they used to keep this going.
    The EU likes to use fear too does it not? Telling you you need them, telling you can't have a better deal outside the EU than in, however, the EU quickly forgets itself; asking those to point aim at Britain and fire, and then turn their own guns to their own heads lest they chose to do the same, if the EU listened to Germany's calls to unite.

    Countries may leave the EU. States can't leave the US.
     
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    The EU isn't a democracy or a country. It's a diplomatic institution.
    Democracy's send their unelectable politicians there to retire. They failed to get elected, that is why they are there.
    Anti-democracy is a more true representation of it.

    In order for the EU to be a democracy, it would need the consent of the populace it seeks to govern. Which it does not even remotely have.
    In order for it to be a country it would need to have a population who recognised it as such. Again, something it is nowhere near having. Usually to get this, a country kills all the dissenters. The EU hasn't yet and frankly if it ever tries we are going to nuke them and they know it. So it will never be a country because the Saviours of Europe will not allow it.
    Fascist ***** rule dick all. Either they can live with that or die trying to change it.

    Many in the EU wish it to be a new country. A world power. A great nation of nationalism and expansion.
    These people are dangerous nutbag's unwittingly bent on world war.
    Not democrats but fascists. Those who would force their nationality and political ideology on others who do not share it or wish for it.
    And they will never ever stop trying. About every 50 years or so we kill them all. Have a big cull.
    But it is human nature to seek to oppress your fellow man. And so it starts all over again. Again and again.
    That's is our human history.

    I look forward to mushroom clouds over Brussels and Strasbourg. It's harsh price to pay for democracy and nationality I know.
    But necessary for the rest of us to live free.
     
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    @Baff you had my support until you started talking Mushroom clouds and nationality.
    Sure I consider the EU's tactic to scare countries into loving it cheap and baseless.
    Sure I get the blind love those who wish they were American but can't leave Europe have for it.
    But the EU is not a country and there are those in power who want to make Gibraltar not Spanish, but European. When Spain acknowledges Gibraltar but still feel to put a Spanish flag on the rock; there won't be no Spanish flag if those in the EU had their way; as it is, it's something that's wishing it was American as well as being proud to be European to reduce countries to be like states of their superpower of a country.

    If Europe had an army, and you could call it, what language would it speak?
     
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    I like my nationality. I like it a lot and my national flag? It is a battle standard.
    You will find me under it in war. And you will find me under it when the football violence kicks off abroad too. Safest place for me to be.

    I don't see these people as peacefully stopping world conquest by themselves. We aren't out yet, but normally to secede from a country involves war.
    If the odd cruise missile was going to send a big enough statement to future generations.... I would settle for that. But I don't think it will.
    Nuke vs no nuke. Japan vs Germany.
    Germany wants it's empire and global influence still, Japan absolutely still doesn't.

    They must fear us, because the minute they do not, they will try and take over. Try and rule over us.
    Rule or be ruled. The only two options we ever allow each other.

    I prefer WW3 to EU rule.
    Hands down prefer it.
     
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    The EU may be a German plan for power; but Germany is weak without a backup plan and an ever debt ridden world.
     
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    It's not just the Germans who want it.
    A great many people across Europe want it.

    A lot of minnow countries with little to no bragging rights on national pride. "We are a super power".
    No Malta. you aren't.

    But don't think in terms of nations, think in terms of individuals. Every nation has a significant pro-EU segment of it's populace. Enough to get traction. Just as fascists and communists once did too.

    The EU is very popular, just no where near popular enough to meets it's ambitions for all of us.
     
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    EU aren't Communist Union. EU is Capitalism.
     
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    EU is made up of social democracy countries. Commie lite. Fascist lite.
    UK is liberal democracy. So it's not a good fit for us.
     
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    And so what?

    Which state in its collective mind would want to leave the US? What would it do for trade, the US is so interdependent upon it?

    Well, the Europeans are different. They have a history of "nationhood" and they don't like thinking that they could be reduced to "statehood" in a European Union. Nor should they be. That is, nor shall they be. (Moreover, the fact that each "nation" in the EU has - more or less - a national language enforces their "individuality".)

    What I am trying to say is that "your USA" and "my EU" are very different animals. You are trying to compare one species of animal with another species.

    That simply does not work as regards countries - so the EU is engaged upon becoming something "like the US" but decidedly will never ever be identical to the US.

    And this is also true because my animal is a "Social Democracy" and yours is a "Capitalist Democracy". These two species are very, very different by means of their ultimate objectives ...
     
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    Also, your one's not a country and the US is a country and US states can't leave the US but countries can leave the EU.
    Also, the EU suffers from delusions of grandeur wasting its time and resources on wishing it was the US.

    It might be federalised, but that's it.
     
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    California and Texas are the two loudest states to have independence movements. But they are by no means alone in it.
    Texas is the worlds biggest oil producer. They aren't going to have any problems finding trade partners. None whatsoever.
    Both Texas and California are very rich states. Each one has an economy the size of France's.
    The whole world wants to trade with them. And does.

    America is a liberal democracy.
    Capitalism is practised just about everywhere in the world and is often considered to be the opposite of communism.

    Liberalism is in many ways the opposite of socialism.
     
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    I really don't care one way or the other. I suppose if the French want to be French, they'll leave. If they want to be European, then they'll stay. But that is one decision solely up to the French. Although I think they will probably stay based on the fact they have gone to the Euro. England stayed with their own currency, much easier to leave.
     
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    Texas was a country for about 5 years after Mexico but before being in the USA and well, California had so much gold, they drew their own borders and said, if you don't like it, we'd form our own country. Since statehood however, CA and TX can't leave the US, for example, you can take a chunk off California and found the state of Jefferson, but................. You can't leave the USA or legally take California out of the US.

    The EU's president Juncker responded like an idiot meeting Donald Trump's support of Brexit and others to follow calling for Ohio and Austin, TX to leave the USA, the EU's president ought to know better than to suggest braking laws but forcing others to abide by them in Europe.

    What an idiot.
     
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    You know very little about the EU. It IS federalized.

    Moving right along ...
     
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    They are well french and want to leave EU Project.
     
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    Brits stay if new poll about EU is clear and Le Pen some president France leave well ?
     
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    The majority of the French DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE THE EU!

    From Figaro newspaper in June last year here (45% want to remain and 33% want to leave): [​IMG]

    Got it, everybody ... ?
     
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    Wrong ...
     
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    The polls said much the same about the UK.
    But just like France, when the UK was given a referendum we voted no to the EU.

    Some in France don't want to leave, others do. France is very divided on the issue. Speaking for all of France is just arrogance and attempted tyranny. "France" does not want to be in the EU. A significant number of French people do and a significant number of French people don't.

    The ones that do, just don't give a **** about the others in their country is all. Claim to be speaking for millions of people that they are not speaking for.
     
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    This is who the UK has to negotiate with in the EU.
     
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    Dream on. Our days of having to negotiate with that plum are over.

    Legally?
    If I don't recognise your legal authority, you have none.
    If Californians decide to be independent it will be their laws which will be the legal ones. That's what happens when you declare independence.
    "Legally" the USA is still British. Only they don't recognise our laws and our writ there is not great enough to enforce them.
     
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    Oh look, a poll.

    Well, I guess its a lock then.
     
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    Yep, they're French. I don't know what they will do. I'm not sure anyone else knows either.
     
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    Locked brain, rather - open your mind ...
     

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