Poll. Germany or USA - Which country has the more advanced technology

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Who is more advanced. USA or Germany?

  1. USA is more advanced

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  2. Both are equal

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  3. Germany is more advanced

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    32.9%
  1. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    LOL...then explain why Android passed up iOS if iOS was the best at the time.

    "Best selling" does not necessarily mean the product is the best...it could also mean it has the best support and customer service, or that it is cheaper and more worth the money for what it delivers.
     
  2. IgnoranceisBliss

    IgnoranceisBliss Well-Known Member

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    So a German auto company purchasing a British one is demonstration of Germany's technological superiority?
     
  3. Nissi

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    We bought Rolls Roys because it is a brand which is known all over the world ;)

    gr
     
  4. mepal1

    mepal1 New Member

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    Blinkin heck.....i didn't know we had sold Rolls-Royce to the Germans!
    blimey they will probably put a gun turret on the cars roof.

    I wish we would stop selling all our hardware assets to foreigners *

    At least our defence industry BAE Systems is still British........i think!

    ps: * A foreigner is anyone who lives outside the UK. ;)
     
  5. StealthDefender

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    Bentley, too, is in German hand (VW). That is because the German car industry is by far the most powerful and advanced in the world. So is the net of roads and other infrastructural things. In case that a war was probable, Germany could become a giant powerful force in military industry very quickly.
    To think that the US could easily invade Germany is just a dream of patriotic nerds.
     
  6. IgnoranceisBliss

    IgnoranceisBliss Well-Known Member

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    Yet Japan, China, and the United States all produce more cars than Germany? Also, automobiles are very different from aircraft, cruise missles, software, and sophisticated electronics. Its not WW2. Technology is very sophisticatd today and new weapons take decades to design and build.
     
  7. StealthDefender

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    More cars with far less quality. Furthermore the numbers are not very different, if you consider the size of the country, it shows the mighty of the German car industry. The great names do the rest, Mercedes, VW, BMW, Porsche, Audi, just to name a few.

    German cars contain the most sophisticated electronics and especially for mobile infantry the big car industry will be a factor. The fantastic German infrastructure will be deadly for anyone who tries to invade the country the conventional way.

    German industry is even better today than at WWII, yet the US needed 9 months to invade completely war rotten Nazi Germany in 1944/45.

    An invasion of a sane Germany with nowadays industry and infrastructure would be completely futile.

    The US would need to bomb Germany down first until there is nothing worth to be invaded.
     
  8. mepal1

    mepal1 New Member

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    I agree.........Germany would be a formidable foe for anyone who tried to invade it.

    German cars are extremely high tech, to the point where it can be bewidering to a new owner of one of their cars.
     
  9. IgnoranceisBliss

    IgnoranceisBliss Well-Known Member

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    For the entire war the United States had a much bigger economy than the Nazis one. By the end of WW2 is was producing more weapons/ships/airplanes/tanks etc. than the rest of the world combined. U.S. manufacturing, even as its converting to a service focused post-industrial economy, dwarfs German manufacturing.....and has done so for well over 100 years.
     
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    That is what is known as "Defense In Depth". They did not simply have to invade Germany, they had to invade all of Western Europe first. With a long logistics chain that stretched to the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.

    They did try a short-cut on the first year, hoping to cut months off of the invasion. But we all know how Market Garden turned out.
     
  11. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    LOL

    The most advanced German car is a toy compared to any stealth fighter. Hell, even compared to a conventional fighter. The two are not comparable. Commercial vehicles do not require advanced technology like military vehicles do.
     
  12. mepal1

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    You silly billy :)..........i wasnt comparing German cars to US military hardware, if you had read the earlier posts, there was a question comparing the technology of German cars to say US or Japanese cars.
    I was merely stating that the Germans seem to over engineer their cars and fit them with so many high tech functions, to a degree where it is more than enough for your average motorist.
     
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    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    And if the thread were about car technology specifically, that would be very relevant.

    But the title of the thread is not "Germany or USA - Which country has the more advanced car technology".


    That isnt an indication of the level of technology of a nation or culture. That is an indication of the level of technology of a company.

    I guarantee you the German military has far more advanced technology than BMW.
     
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    YES.......i have seen that this thread has gone off course, somewhat. :)
     
  15. StealthDefender

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    It's safe to say the same about the UK, which has about the same level of technology, industry and infrustructure.

    I don't know what the US boys here were smoking, but they should know that the people in Western Europe do not live in wooden cabins.
     
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    Correct, but you cannot invade a country with a stealth fighter.
     
  17. mepal1

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    Correct 'StealthDefender'..........the US posesses a formidible military, but getting it all over to Europe is a major hurdle..........then to find themselves confronted by a large union of strong technically advanced nations, together with a massive manpower advantage which would doom any American landing at the onset.
     
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    Trying to predict how an entire war would unfold is diffficult to do at best. There are too many political and economic factors to consider. The point of this thread is to compare U.S. and European military capabilties. In conclusion, Europe lags behind the U.S., especially in naval and air power. European military's weaknesses have been made quite clear in Libya. The U.S. attempted to take a backseat but ended up having to make significant contributions in the intital air dominance campaign. Even now the U.S. assistance in command and control, reconissance, and logistics remain critical to the success of European operations in Libya. A quick google of this issue will yield many articles.
     
  19. StealthDefender

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    Of course USA has huge advantages in naval and air power, that is because of the attitude. USA wants to be a power in whatever place in the world, oversea and intercontinental.

    Europe, especially Germany, is not interested in such thing. Germany has a highly defensive military, which is mainly (mobile) infantry. I did serve in an elite infantry unit in German and I can assure you: We are completely aligned for defense and we are very strong.

    It was your patriotic friend, Sadistic Savior, who stated that an US invasion in German would be quite quick, perhaps a little harder than the invasion of Iraq for example.

    That is completely nonsense.
     
  20. mepal1

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    Yes, it is nonsense, the invasion of Iraq would in no means be a blueprint for an invasion of Europe (i cant believe somone believes that), i mean there are so many differences it would take a book to list them all.

    A war on the European mainland would be a total nightmare for all participitants.
     
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    USA is but thats more size then anything else if you want durable solid and proper material you will pick German goods.
     
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    This is one thing that always makes me laugh.

    Yea, everybody knows the reputation of German companies, like BMW, Daimler-Benz, and the like. But what about some other German companies?

    Look at Barkas. Or Trabant. How many companies used those wonderful Robotron computers?

    Just because something is "German Made", that does not automatically mean it was well made. I worked with a guy once who drove a Trabant and worked on Robotron computers. The horror stories he told me still stick with me over 10 years later.
     
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    Germans tend to over-engineer things.

    The things they do well, they do very well...but often times a product
    doesn't need the tight tolerances that German engineering is so famous for.

    I PCSd to Germany for a stint while in the Air Force...and Germans just have their own way of doing things...
    as an example-

    I go to a movie in the middle of the afternoon, the theater is basically empty...the ticket I'm issued
    has assigned seating and the usher was very upset I was not seated in my assigned seat...even though
    the film was about to start and the theater was pretty much empty.
    So I moved to my assigned seat.

    "When in Rome" afterall...or in this case "when in Kaiserslautern, Germany,"
    do as the Germans.
     
  24. mepal1

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    True.......the Germans do appear to over engineer things.

    Mind you Germany can make simple things which last years, just look at the BEETLE car!

    Incidently the 'Trabant' was an East German car.

    The German quality engineering of today comes from the former West Germany!
     
  25. Mushroom

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    I am aware it is East German, but that is still part of Germany.

    When my friend finally escaped shortly before the wall went down, he told me about throwing away his worthless East German Marks, and after working for a month in West Germany literally throwing away his car (he and 1 friend picked it up and threw it in a dumpster).

    The point is that just because somehing is "German Engineering", that does not automatically mean it is good. Japan has been famous for decades for it's electronics, yet they still have made some pretty bad products over the years.

    And that over-enginering can be a real problem, especially when it comes to military equipment. Germany did that during WWII and it cost them the war.

    Sure, they probably made the best tanks during the war. But they did not make them fast enough to make a difference. The Tiger II hands down was vastly superior to the T-34.

    However, they built less then 500 of the things. Meanwhile the Soviet Union built almost 35,000 T-34s. Even if you threw in the combined production of Tiger I and Tiger II tanks, you come out with less then 2,000 total vehicles. If you combine into this the Panther tanks, you still come out with less then 8,000 total tanks.
     

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